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Dr. Roel Konijnendijk

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1345 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

So there's often that kind of pattern that you see in those stories repeated in the stories about the Persian court as well.

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The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

So that's one aspect of it.

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The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

And the other part is, as I said, I mean, he is really actually quite interested in Persia and in giving Persians their due for their achievements.

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The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

And so even figures like Xerxes, although they commit a lot of horrors, which may or may not be part of how they profile themselves, they're also presented as people who are really quite keen to do the right thing.

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The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

They're driven by forces beyond their control.

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The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

They're also very interested in the things they do.

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The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

They're always investigating.

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The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

They're always looking at things and always asking about things.

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The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

And so it's not a single-minded profile of, you know, just the sort of cartoon villain that he gives of any of these rulers.

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The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

He is sort of interested in creating fully fleshed out characters, I think, who are to some extent fated to be who they are.

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The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

It's a really interesting question actually.

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The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

I think there's just not enough detail in his account of the first of those expeditions to say he would have done it differently if he had given all of those details.

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The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

The fact is simply that he spends so much more time on Xerxes' invasion force and so much more time on the leadership of that force and its failings.

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The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

And so when we hear about the marathon campaign, you do hear some of the way that these Persian commanders, Dates and Artefrenes, who commanded that expedition, how they managed things, how they conducted themselves, but you don't hear much about how their forces are composed.

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The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

And you don't hear that much about what kind of councils they had among themselves, which would get much more for Xerxes.

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The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

So this is obviously more distant in time for Herodotus, but it's also just not the meat of his account.

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The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

So it's not the main event.

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The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

And so he is to some extent holding back some of those later conflicts he's really going to spin out.

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The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

Like why does Xerxes attack the Greeks?

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The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

Why does he decide to do the things he does and do it the way he does it?

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