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Dr. Roel Konijnendijk

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The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

The other account, Hellenic Oxyrhynchia, I think doesn't mention the money at all, is not interested in saying you were bribed into it.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

So are these papyri?

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

Yeah, so this is a papyrus story, another source.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

If you want to get really nerdy about it, there is a rival account which helps us in some cases and complicates things in others.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

Anyway, this is why the Persians are important, but also because they have been, as I said, marinating this Athenian commander and building a fleet around him.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

which at that point they actually send into the Aegean to challenge the Spartans.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

And so that is the moment when Persians are sort of simultaneously starting a war on land that is waged by a coalition of Greek states and a war at sea, which is waged very much by the Persians themselves.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

I mean, so it plays out very differently on land and sea, which is why Xenophon actually separates these two things.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

He talks only about the land campaigns and at the very end he's like, also, we go back a few years in time and then talk about the sea campaign, which is very interesting as a historical structure.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

That's actually very novel.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

Fundamentally, on land, you have a coalition of Athens, Argos, Corinth, and Thebes, the four greatest cities on the mainland.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

Arguably, each of them individually is a larger population than Sparta.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

They try to fight the Spartans.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

It goes very badly for them.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

So Sparta does recall Agasileus from Asia Minor, which is what the Persians want.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

So in that sense, the Persians get this early win.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

But he marches back into the mainland and defeats the coalition army that is gathered against him.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

That's actually the second battle, the Battle of Nemea that happens earlier.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

There's a huge coalition going against the Spartans that also gets absolutely trapped.