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Dr. Roel Konijnendijk

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1345 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

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The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

Well, it's not just for you, it's Xenophon, right?

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

Like he actually steps in.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

Well, that's because he and I are like this.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

Sorry, yeah, that's it.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

You're all made Xenophon.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

Like he actually invokes the gods at this point.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

He says, you know, everything was going great for Sparta, but at this point they offended the gods.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

This is actually like divine retribution will follow because they have committed this horrendous sort of

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

It's not just a misstep or a diplomatic faux pas or even just a military sort of provocation.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

It's actually just they've done wrong, right?

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

They've done something that is sort of morally reprehensible.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

No Greek condones it.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

And so, you know, retribution will follow.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

In a nutshell, the Thebans actually, initially, they have to put up with it.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

This is a Spartan-backed oligarchy as well, same as in Athens before.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

So you have an oligarchy that was already pro-Spartan, which is propped up by this garrison.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

And so they have their democratic faction, essentially, where they're at least non-pro-Spartan faction.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

It's very amorphous what kind of political ideals they have, but they have to flee.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

But they, just like the Athenians went to Thebes, the Thebans go to Athens and get support.