Dr. Sanjay Gupta

She couldn't turn the doorknobs, you know, with their hand.

And I thought, well, that seems like a very arthritic sort of component to this.

Like, what is happening?

Yeah.

And I remember lying in bed with her once and, you know, asking silly questions in retrospect.

Like, how much does it hurt?

Like, doc, how do I explain this to you?

You want me to give you a number?

Because my number would be immeasurable, right?

You don't understand.

Or I'd say, point to where it hurts.

And I remember she would point to a part on her body and she would basically say, this is the only place it doesn't hurt.

And I think that was probably, you know, three or four year journey in some ways.

Keep in mind, the way the medical establishment works, especially with these kinds of pains, is you try a medicine

In this case, it may be a medication for autoimmune disease.

And you need to give it months to see if it'll work, right?

So it's not a fail fast sort of model.

It's a long trial period sort of model.

Maybe it's working, maybe it's not.

So months would go by, didn't really work.