Dr. Sarah Berry

It just shows how you're kind of creating this perfect storm and how you can't think of it in isolation. Because firstly, you're waking up and you're like, bloody hell, I'm hungry. Secondly, it's like, I'm not having that healthy breakfast. I want that pano chocolate or, you know, whatever that's giving you that quick fix. And then you have it and you're going to have this massive depression.

It just shows how you're kind of creating this perfect storm and how you can't think of it in isolation. Because firstly, you're waking up and you're like, bloody hell, I'm hungry. Secondly, it's like, I'm not having that healthy breakfast. I want that pano chocolate or, you know, whatever that's giving you that quick fix. And then you have it and you're going to have this massive depression.

blood sugar peak compared to if you'd had a good night's sleep and and made a healthy choice for less hungry etc etc so it's like creating this perfect storm and it's all started with your sleep and that's why i don't think we can look at things in isolation anymore which is how i have spent the previous 20 years of my research looking at things in isolation but that's because i've not been had the luxury of being able to collect the kind of data that we're now collecting

blood sugar peak compared to if you'd had a good night's sleep and and made a healthy choice for less hungry etc etc so it's like creating this perfect storm and it's all started with your sleep and that's why i don't think we can look at things in isolation anymore which is how i have spent the previous 20 years of my research looking at things in isolation but that's because i've not been had the luxury of being able to collect the kind of data that we're now collecting

My children never slept.

My children never slept.

They did, obviously. But oh, my Lord.

They did, obviously. But oh, my Lord.

No, because the first four years of my children's lives, I lost my father when my daughter, a few weeks after my daughter was born, my sister and I became full-time carers for my mother who lived around the corner. I took a career break, looked after my mum with my sister, had two young children. They weren't sleeping. I had to show up. I had to show up to help my sister look after my mum.

No, because the first four years of my children's lives, I lost my father when my daughter, a few weeks after my daughter was born, my sister and I became full-time carers for my mother who lived around the corner. I took a career break, looked after my mum with my sister, had two young children. They weren't sleeping. I had to show up. I had to show up to help my sister look after my mum.

It was about survival. I didn't think about what I ate, when I ate. That was irrelevant. It was about survival, to be there for my mum, to be there for my kids. And whether it was because the sleep deprivation was also so bad that it was just like driving bad choices, I don't know. But there's points in time in anyone's life that we go through that are about survival, aren't there?

It was about survival. I didn't think about what I ate, when I ate. That was irrelevant. It was about survival, to be there for my mum, to be there for my kids. And whether it was because the sleep deprivation was also so bad that it was just like driving bad choices, I don't know. But there's points in time in anyone's life that we go through that are about survival, aren't there?

And I think everything goes out of the window. And I'm not saying it should.

And I think everything goes out of the window. And I'm not saying it should.

But I think that when you're in the depths of whether it's sleep deprivation because your children keeping you awake or what I was going through, you know, my mother had a degenerative neurological condition, and seeing someone daily deteriorate like that, what you're doing physical activity-wise, well, I didn't have time to do that, what you're eating... quite often doesn't become a priority.

But I think that when you're in the depths of whether it's sleep deprivation because your children keeping you awake or what I was going through, you know, my mother had a degenerative neurological condition, and seeing someone daily deteriorate like that, what you're doing physical activity-wise, well, I didn't have time to do that, what you're eating... quite often doesn't become a priority.

Now it's probably a time it should be even more of a priority because we know that what you eat impacts your mental health. There's great research now showing how important it is. But when you're in that fog of whether it's that you're depressed or you're dealing with trauma or whatever, I think food is one of the last things that you think about making a priority. And I think it's okay.

Now it's probably a time it should be even more of a priority because we know that what you eat impacts your mental health. There's great research now showing how important it is. But when you're in that fog of whether it's that you're depressed or you're dealing with trauma or whatever, I think food is one of the last things that you think about making a priority. And I think it's okay.

Yeah, absolutely. Again, this is what the research shows, the sleep, the stress, it impacts everything. your ability to make choices about lots of things, but equally your food choices. You know, what you're talking about, I think, is so complex. It's where, where's the responsibility for the government? Where's the responsibility for the food industry?

Yeah, absolutely. Again, this is what the research shows, the sleep, the stress, it impacts everything. your ability to make choices about lots of things, but equally your food choices. You know, what you're talking about, I think, is so complex. It's where, where's the responsibility for the government? Where's the responsibility for the food industry?