Dr. Steven Hassan

And in the Johnson family, we always have dinner at 7 p.m.

And at the Johnson household, we go for walks on Saturdays.

You know what I mean?

And if you don't like it, you can leave.

But if you leave this house, we will cut you off from the Johnsons and you're no longer a Johnson.

And you will never walk into this house ever.

You see, Steve, if you were in my house, you would have... Hey, Steve, where are you going?

They should have to pay royalties to the cults.

We've got more What Now?

after this.

It's interesting when you say, when you talk about how people speak about themselves post occult, a lot of it sounds similar to how people speak about themselves post an authoritarian regime.

Yeah, because they are.

When they interviewed people post-Hitler and the Nazis, they asked many Germans and they're like, I didn't, you know, I just found myself being part of this and I didn't know and I really just found myself.

And when they would talk to people in America who were part of, you know, whether it was the Ku Klux Klan or whether, they go like, I...

I just felt myself being swept up in a wave.

And looking back, I can't believe that that's me.

That's what a lot of people say.

I can't believe South Africans who, you know what I mean, in apartheid, why South Africans who are like, I can't believe I ever thought that.

I just can't.

It's this interesting world where they do not see themselves now.