Dr. Steven Hassan

Yeah, from the person.

And it feels like the same thing.

It's like in the moment, someone can do anything, and then in hindsight go, I can't believe that that would have been me.

I can't believe that.

What's a mistake that families make when doing that?

You know, because like you said something interesting.

You said, I spoke to my sister because she was the only one who didn't say to me that I was crazy and I was in a cult.

Correct.

But I didn't speak to the rest of my family.

So what can someone do right to have a conversation with someone in their family who they feel is in a cult?

That is hilarious.

Those, I think, you know, I've seen a lot of people.

I mean, I've obviously read about your book and, you know, what people have said.

And you were welcomed into many spaces online.

when you were writing just about cults, right?

Yeah, you were everywhere, basically.

And then you wrote a book entitled The Cult of Trump.

For Simon and Schuster.

Yeah, and then all of a sudden you were sort of- Crickets.

Yeah.