Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

Right.

And in all of that, the greatest moments were the moments where I took a person and discovered that there was this thing, right, like a trauma

that they were trying to ignore because it hurts.

So you don't want to deal with it.

You'd rather not talk about it.

And so you have to get to a trusting place where you open up and you have that conversation.

But the other thing too, Louis, is part of what to me makes chapter eight my greatest chapter that I've ever written is that

it actually the chapter plays out and shares my personal journey of self-discovery where you know um i have shared in the past that i changed my diet and therefore i got my health back and the truth is i wasn't fully telling you everything that was going on in my life really i wasn't ready wow there was too much shame i had a complex relationship with my dad

that unfolded from the time that I was seven years old when my parents got divorced.

And unfortunately, the divorce of my parents was... It was not amicable.

It was traumatic.

Well, I was the oldest of three boys.

I have two younger brothers.

And basically, I was in second grade.

And one day...

didn't know this was going to happen.

My mom shows up and the car is packed fully.

And there's like a little spot basically earmarked for me that I slide into.

And we drive seven hours away.

With your younger brothers too?