Drew Burney

And so that's where I started.

And it did lead to like, oh, this actually isn't so bad.

Um, it's actually maybe a little bit fun to work on this.

Sometimes it's not that fun, honestly, but it hasn't been so far, but I could see myself like, oh, let's, let's kind of gamify this a little bit even too.

I could see that.

Does it work that way?

I guess.

Emotional response to it, okay, yeah, okay.

My girlfriend has actually suggested check-ins and stuff like that.

So you have no excuses.

And she's like all excited too.

So she's like, I'm excited for this.

Of course she is.

I've gotten on board with it though too.

Okay, so that's one example too.

I'll give you another example from my own life as well that's not related to all the like tangible health stuff or whatever.

It's podcasting for years.

I've worked with you and I've always been behind the scenes and never saw myself as like somebody who's in front facing part of the business, right?

And so I kind of just held onto that for a long time.

And it hasn't been until, I guess, a little bit more recently where it's like, okay,