Drew Burney

The workout thing, I have a trigger, like middle of the day is workout time for me.

That's been ingrained in my body now.

I'd like get antsy if I don't go.

So that's kind of, it's a little bit of an abstract trigger, but it works for me.

We have been talking a lot though about like...

I think a different kind of change too.

Can we apply that here as well for my avoidance?

A lot of the behavioral change that people talk about are around, it's like health behaviors, which I agree are very important.

And really what you're getting at is you're saying, I wanna be the type of person who does these behaviors.

I wanna be a healthy person.

I wanna be a conscientious person ultimately, like that's what I wanna be.

What about when it comes to like, and that's all very, very concrete.

We can see the results.

We can see the process even too.

That's a very concrete process with concrete results.

But what about when it comes to these like, these harder things we've been talking about?

Ourselves, yeah.

The entry point for me addressing my avoidance was behavioral.

Like I was like, okay, I'm behaving in an avoidant way.

I don't want to behave that way anymore.