Drew Burney

So it was originally, I think it was 1994 when they published this.

And in 2004, they found 30 of those original 55 and interviewed them again.

And every single one of them said, yes, that's still the most important thing that's ever happened in my life.

And yes, the changes are still real.

They're still enduring.

They're still here.

I'm still that person that changed.

There were hints of people kind of poking around this.

We've talked before about Dabrowski's theory of positive disintegration.

My man.

Right.

You love him, right?

That's kind of a similar category.

Like he found that people sometimes just everything disintegrates and then rebuilds all of a sudden too.

So he kind of got at this too.

Right, your identity, yeah.

Yeah.

And he kind of described like these three stages, the disintegration phase where the existing self-structure, like you said, just goes away.

Then there's an emergence of a new consciousness, a new realization that you have.

and then a reconsolidation of that identity around it.