Duncan Barkes

But one of your other key strengths in the world of commerce and business is management.

How do you divvy up parenting John Massino?

with quietly from the side managing him, because you're perfectly entitled to your views about football.

I've heard her saying over and over, he needs a longer coat.

Yeah, but when you're a good manager, everything is a statement.

What are your thoughts on that?

And what about John's as well?

Routine.

We need our routines.

Gordon, you and I are long enough in the tooth to admit that our Saturday afternoons from late August through until the end of the season have taken care of themselves.

Now, what do you do on a Saturday when you haven't got a 3 o'clock kick-off, even if it's 12.30?

It's all wrong.

Going back to when you and I were nippers and sort of got to know each other, we lived very close by.

Went to the same school, ended up in the same class, used to kick about sometimes in the playground at lunchtime.

I had to get used to the fact that it was a big school, big school.

And I had to get used to the fact that I was probably second best in the school academically and second best in the school at football.

Because there was this little beggar who was not only better at me marginally than in those two provinces, key provinces, but was a year younger than me.

That is true.

Yes.

So what I tell people is that you've taught John everything he knows about football and that I taught you everything you know about football, which of course is a...