Dustin Van Orman

That's right. And then the other thing, too, is you're observing what these larger businesses are doing. Well, you tell me one of them that's not in a group of one form or another where they have coaching and training opportunity. They're all in something. I think that greatness.

That's right. And then the other thing, too, is you're observing what these larger businesses are doing. Well, you tell me one of them that's not in a group of one form or another where they have coaching and training opportunity. They're all in something. I think that greatness.

That's right. And then the other thing, too, is you're observing what these larger businesses are doing. Well, you tell me one of them that's not in a group of one form or another where they have coaching and training opportunity. They're all in something. I think that greatness.

I think one of the reasons why we've had so much success with the trades, with different businesses right now in 2025 is we don't suffer from a lack of information problem. We've got tons of info. It's free now. YouTube. Literally, you can go to some of these Ivy League schools for free. You just don't get the certification. It's crazy. The amount of information out there is available worldwide.

I think one of the reasons why we've had so much success with the trades, with different businesses right now in 2025 is we don't suffer from a lack of information problem. We've got tons of info. It's free now. YouTube. Literally, you can go to some of these Ivy League schools for free. You just don't get the certification. It's crazy. The amount of information out there is available worldwide.

I think one of the reasons why we've had so much success with the trades, with different businesses right now in 2025 is we don't suffer from a lack of information problem. We've got tons of info. It's free now. YouTube. Literally, you can go to some of these Ivy League schools for free. You just don't get the certification. It's crazy. The amount of information out there is available worldwide.

What really sets us apart and where we've been able to find a lot of success is the level of accountability that we hold because we do one-on-one coaching with our guys, like actually look over their numbers. Like that's where guys need their freaking feet held to the fire to make sure that they're implementing the real information because knowing information is one thing.

What really sets us apart and where we've been able to find a lot of success is the level of accountability that we hold because we do one-on-one coaching with our guys, like actually look over their numbers. Like that's where guys need their freaking feet held to the fire to make sure that they're implementing the real information because knowing information is one thing.

What really sets us apart and where we've been able to find a lot of success is the level of accountability that we hold because we do one-on-one coaching with our guys, like actually look over their numbers. Like that's where guys need their freaking feet held to the fire to make sure that they're implementing the real information because knowing information is one thing.

We all know how to get skinny. We all know how to look good and everything else, but that doesn't keep us from eating the cookies, right? right? And so like we need somebody that keeps us from eating the cookies and that makes us show up at the shop accountable to certain KPIs, right? Like that is absolutely imperative in 2025.

We all know how to get skinny. We all know how to look good and everything else, but that doesn't keep us from eating the cookies, right? right? And so like we need somebody that keeps us from eating the cookies and that makes us show up at the shop accountable to certain KPIs, right? Like that is absolutely imperative in 2025.

We all know how to get skinny. We all know how to look good and everything else, but that doesn't keep us from eating the cookies, right? right? And so like we need somebody that keeps us from eating the cookies and that makes us show up at the shop accountable to certain KPIs, right? Like that is absolutely imperative in 2025.

On top of that, what we found is that works incredible is in-person workshops, right? Because what happens is we get stuck in that day-to-day as a technical operator, right? Where we're head down, doing the thing. We're down here on ground level. We have to get to 30,000 foot.

On top of that, what we found is that works incredible is in-person workshops, right? Because what happens is we get stuck in that day-to-day as a technical operator, right? Where we're head down, doing the thing. We're down here on ground level. We have to get to 30,000 foot.

On top of that, what we found is that works incredible is in-person workshops, right? Because what happens is we get stuck in that day-to-day as a technical operator, right? Where we're head down, doing the thing. We're down here on ground level. We have to get to 30,000 foot.

And what I found the best cadence is, is once a quarter, you remove yourself from the business, you go spend time with other entrepreneurs that are working on the same exact thing, and you actually work on the business from 30,000 feet. And that's where we found just a ton of success with these workshops is these guys are forced to be in the room, right? They paid the money.

And what I found the best cadence is, is once a quarter, you remove yourself from the business, you go spend time with other entrepreneurs that are working on the same exact thing, and you actually work on the business from 30,000 feet. And that's where we found just a ton of success with these workshops is these guys are forced to be in the room, right? They paid the money.

And what I found the best cadence is, is once a quarter, you remove yourself from the business, you go spend time with other entrepreneurs that are working on the same exact thing, and you actually work on the business from 30,000 feet. And that's where we found just a ton of success with these workshops is these guys are forced to be in the room, right? They paid the money.

They're forced to be in the room. They remove themselves from their, from their location. They come in, we work with them. We spent a couple of days working on the things that actually drive growth. Like I think more than anything, whether you're a part of our group or anything else, like those are the two things you need in 2025 accountability and forced to take action and create.

They're forced to be in the room. They remove themselves from their, from their location. They come in, we work with them. We spent a couple of days working on the things that actually drive growth. Like I think more than anything, whether you're a part of our group or anything else, like those are the two things you need in 2025 accountability and forced to take action and create.