Dwarkesh Kheterpal

Yeah, what do you think about the license?

Should it be less onerous for developers?

If it turns out that you, you know, other models are also, you know, there's like a bunch of good open source models.

So that part of your mission is fulfilled and maybe other models are better at coding.

Is there a world where you just say, look, open source ecosystem is healthy.

There's plenty of competition.

We're happy to just use some other model, whether it's for internal software engineering at Meta or deploying to our apps.

We don't necessarily need to build with Lama.

I mean, another thing I've heard you mention is that it's important that the standard gets built around American models like LAMA.

I guess I wanted to understand your logic there because it seems like with certain kinds of networks, it is the case that the Apple App Store just has a big contingency around what it's built around.

But it doesn't seem like if you build some sort of scaffold for DeepSeek, you couldn't have easily just switched it over to Lama 4, especially since between generations, like Lama 3 wasn't MOE, Lama 4 is.

So things are changing between generations of models as well.

Yeah.

What's the reason for thinking things will get built out in this contingent way on a specific standard?

I'm not sure.

What do you mean by contingent?

Oh, as in like it's important that people are building for LAMA rather than for LLMs in general, because that will determine what the standard is for the future.

What do you think the right way to monetize AI will be?

Because obviously digital ads are quite lucrative, but as a fraction of total GDP, it's small in comparison to like all remote work.

Like even if you can increase its productivity and not replace work, that's still worth tens of trillions of dollars.