Dwarkesh
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I think the companies will be very literally training the AIs to be more cooperative.
I think there's more opportunity for pliability there because humans were, of course, evolving under this genetic imperative that we want to pass on our own genetic information, not somebody else's genetic information.
You have things like kin selection that are sort of kind of...
exceptions to that, but overall it's the rule.
In animals that don't have that, like eusocial insects, then you just very quickly get, just through genetic evolution without cultural evolution, extreme cooperation.
And with eusocial insects, what's going on is that they all have the same genetic code, they all have the same goals, and so the training process of evolution kind of yokes them to each other in these extremely powerful bureaucracies.
We do think that the AI will be closer to the eusocial insects in the sense that they all have the same goals, especially if these aren't indexical goals.
They're goals like have the research program succeed.
So that's going to be changing the weights of each individual AI.
I mean, before they're individuated, but it's going to be changing the weights of the AI class overall to be more amenable to cooperation.
And then, yes, you do have the cultural evolution.
Like you said, this takes...
hundreds of thousands of individuals.
We do expect there will be these hundreds of thousands of individuals.
It takes decades and decades.
Again, we expect this research multiplier such that decades of progress happen within this one year, 2027 or 2028.
So I think between the two of these, it is possible.
Also, they do have the advantage of all the cultural technology that humans have evolved so far.
This may not be perfectly suited to them.
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