Dylan Matthews

So I agree with a lot of that. I think if I were to make the national security case for manufacturing as sympathetically as I can, the U.S. has a lot of nuclear weapons, but we've been giving a lot of artillery shells to Ukraine in their battle with Russia. And our ability to produce those has been pretty limited. And we've run through a lot of existing stockpiles.

So I agree with a lot of that. I think if I were to make the national security case for manufacturing as sympathetically as I can, the U.S. has a lot of nuclear weapons, but we've been giving a lot of artillery shells to Ukraine in their battle with Russia. And our ability to produce those has been pretty limited. And we've run through a lot of existing stockpiles.

I think some of that was the military shifted in the aughts and the tens to thinking what we're doing is fighting adversaries like Al Qaeda or ISIS. And so it's not going to be like two armies on a battlefield exchanging artillery fire. But now the Ukraine war is exactly two armies on a battlefield exchanging artillery fire. And our ability to produce things for that is not what it once was.

I think some of that was the military shifted in the aughts and the tens to thinking what we're doing is fighting adversaries like Al Qaeda or ISIS. And so it's not going to be like two armies on a battlefield exchanging artillery fire. But now the Ukraine war is exactly two armies on a battlefield exchanging artillery fire. And our ability to produce things for that is not what it once was.

I think some of that was the military shifted in the aughts and the tens to thinking what we're doing is fighting adversaries like Al Qaeda or ISIS. And so it's not going to be like two armies on a battlefield exchanging artillery fire. But now the Ukraine war is exactly two armies on a battlefield exchanging artillery fire. And our ability to produce things for that is not what it once was.

And I think... The other thing is the rise of drones and not just like big drone in the sky dropping a bomb, but things closer to the drones you could buy at Walmart. Like a surprising amount of the Ukraine war has been both sides using drones like that to do reconnaissance on each other and try to anticipate attacks. And those drones are almost all made in China.

And I think... The other thing is the rise of drones and not just like big drone in the sky dropping a bomb, but things closer to the drones you could buy at Walmart. Like a surprising amount of the Ukraine war has been both sides using drones like that to do reconnaissance on each other and try to anticipate attacks. And those drones are almost all made in China.

And I think... The other thing is the rise of drones and not just like big drone in the sky dropping a bomb, but things closer to the drones you could buy at Walmart. Like a surprising amount of the Ukraine war has been both sides using drones like that to do reconnaissance on each other and try to anticipate attacks. And those drones are almost all made in China.

There are people in DC who are very convinced that China is a deep adversary. And if this is an important military technology that they make almost all of, I think within that worldview, it makes sense to be a little worried about this. Now, whether you think China is a big adversary and we should be preparing for war against them, that's a bigger question.

There are people in DC who are very convinced that China is a deep adversary. And if this is an important military technology that they make almost all of, I think within that worldview, it makes sense to be a little worried about this. Now, whether you think China is a big adversary and we should be preparing for war against them, that's a bigger question.

There are people in DC who are very convinced that China is a deep adversary. And if this is an important military technology that they make almost all of, I think within that worldview, it makes sense to be a little worried about this. Now, whether you think China is a big adversary and we should be preparing for war against them, that's a bigger question.

The best analogy I've heard for using tariffs to try to get manufacturing jobs back is if you run someone over with your car and then to fix the situation, you back over them again.

The best analogy I've heard for using tariffs to try to get manufacturing jobs back is if you run someone over with your car and then to fix the situation, you back over them again.

The best analogy I've heard for using tariffs to try to get manufacturing jobs back is if you run someone over with your car and then to fix the situation, you back over them again.

I do want to underline that what a manufacturing job looks like now looks very different from what it did in the 50s.

I do want to underline that what a manufacturing job looks like now looks very different from what it did in the 50s.

I do want to underline that what a manufacturing job looks like now looks very different from what it did in the 50s.

The number of sort of assembly line jobs, I always imagine Charlie Chaplin in modern times just like cranking one knob on an assembly line. That isn't really a thing anymore. If you look at the people being hired, these are highly trained engineers with master's and PhDs in electrical engineering jobs. who have to run very complex systems.

The number of sort of assembly line jobs, I always imagine Charlie Chaplin in modern times just like cranking one knob on an assembly line. That isn't really a thing anymore. If you look at the people being hired, these are highly trained engineers with master's and PhDs in electrical engineering jobs. who have to run very complex systems.

The number of sort of assembly line jobs, I always imagine Charlie Chaplin in modern times just like cranking one knob on an assembly line. That isn't really a thing anymore. If you look at the people being hired, these are highly trained engineers with master's and PhDs in electrical engineering jobs. who have to run very complex systems.