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The fantasy vs. reality of Trump's "smokestack nostalgia"

Wed, 07 May 2025

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The Trump administration wants their recent tariffs to function as incentives for Americans to produce more of our own goods in our own factories. And one poll shows that 80% of us say the country would be better off if more Americans worked in manufacturing. But why do people on both sides of the aisle want these jobs back so much? What have we lost culturally with the loss of factory jobs that we want to bring back? And ultimately - how does the fantasy of bringing more factory jobs back stack up against the reality of how American manufacturing works today? Brittany is joined by Vox senior correspondent Dylan Matthews and Montclair State University associate professor Jeffrey Gonzalez to find out.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

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24.252 - 44.597 Brittany Luce

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45.498 - 67.933 Brittany Luce

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105.034 - 124.179 Donald Trump

In a few moments, I will sign a historic executive order instituting reciprocal tariffs on countries throughout the world. Reciprocal. That means they do it to us and we do it to them. Jobs and factories will come roaring back into our country, and you see it happening already.

124.72 - 148.593 Brittany Luce

As you just heard, one of the biggest reasons behind the Trump administration's tariffs is to bring more factory jobs back into our country. And in case you don't know this about me, I'm from Metro Detroit. I grew up in the Rust Belt, and I know firsthand how deeply our country feels the loss of a lot of our manufacturing jobs. and how we still dream about ourselves as a manufacturing superpower.

149.214 - 163.859 Brittany Luce

But what does this dream look like for people on both sides of the aisle? Why does factory work seem so central to our politics? And how does the fantasy of bringing it back stack up against the reality of what manufacturing looks like in our country today?

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