Dylan Mulvaney
Appearances
The Charlie Kirk Show
THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 71 — Airline DEI Again! Fed Redditors? Gayest Movie Ever?
That's why I'm trying to figure out how you can come to the conclusion right now that diversity had something to do with this crash.
The Charlie Kirk Show
THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 71 — Airline DEI Again! Fed Redditors? Gayest Movie Ever?
Nice to meet you. I'd like to know about sex change operations. I see, I see, I see. Men to women. A woman to men. Man to woman. From penis to vagina. Would you like to know about it, madam? I want to know it all. Control laryngoplasty. What is that? Adam's out for reduction. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
The Charlie Kirk Show
THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 71 — Airline DEI Again! Fed Redditors? Gayest Movie Ever?
that's true it's all right we'll play 218 and then we're gonna we're gonna call the show a wrap let's play cut 218 for me what would you like to know about it i want to know it all what is the protocol the techniques and the risks how many operations how much time do What is that? Adam's apple reduction. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
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The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Absolutely. And I think that was what I was going to mention earlier when you were talking about like this superficially how people perceive us online and how you want to be perceived differently or at least seen differently um with this book which is that was the goal of mine too it's like author baby they can't take that out of our bio exactly that's their
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
asmr asmr yeah you've never had anything like it you like a they call them fizzies but you like sour yeah they say sour is fizzy this just made so much saliva in my mouth that's crazy right it's really good there's nothing like it in america that's true i think it's because there's less processed stuff but i like processed i prefer it me too you know what's funny is that's from the uk
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
I know. You're late on the come up.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
It's been a year.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Yeah, you're like exercising the demon.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Absolutely. And I think. Two, you, and I already know this about you because I actually do know you in real life, unlike people online. But we are so much more than what we were, what we got big for, is what I'll say. Like we are so much more, as is everyone who has a platform, like the people are, like you said, multidimensional. They're not two-dimensional like paper dolls.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
right that's how i felt when i saw your one woman show and you know what i will i will say is i was so happy for you for so many reasons other than the first happiness i felt was really like you truly looked like you were enjoying yourself and that made me happy because i know how hard it was for you so i want to give you flowers for that first but second of all i love seeing women thrive in their art form like and what they what they're supposed to do born to do that's how i feel about you seeing you on broadway like truly i wanted to ask you
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
harmonize ready we'll work on it we'll work on it it's funny because i have so many friends who are artists whether they're like pop artists vocalists writers all of the above or broadway stars doesn't matter and every single one of them is like i bet i bet you can see you just need the training i'm like you guys aren't listening to me you think it's not worth the money i mean
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
I'd say it'll be a waste of my money and everyone's time.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Love it. I'm saying, I'm like, let me do Toxie.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
And I actually saw that you love this one. Legally Blonde's one of my favorites.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
On Broadway. You'd get a Percy Pig for that. Right? babe that is one of my favorite broadway musicals it's a perfect musical it's so perfect from top to bottom discography top to bottom it's a listen all the way through laura bell bundy yeah so thank oh my god yeah oh my god being in los angeles in a place where someone knows laura bell bundy's name yeah girl thank you i know all about her so
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
And I was starting a war with them over their food when I went over to London for the first time. But it was their hot cuisine, not their snacks. I'm a big fan of their snacks. I think they nailed snacks.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
I would love to be Vivian. Are you the TERF?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
That's the one time in your life that you're just like, fucking fuck this trans girl. Yes. Oh my God. Let me be in the chorus. Actually, I take it back. Let me be in the chorus.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Yeah. I would say Legally Blonde. The Color Purple is one of my favorite ones.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
If, honestly, in acting, I would love to do... Oh, my God. Wait.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Yes. Oh, I can't with you. That's why I said we're twins. We're literally... The Color Purple is one of my favorite musicals, too, specifically with Cynthia Erivo and the year she won her Tony. I watched her perform it live at the Tonys a million times back in 2016. You're a theater girl. Yes, I am. Oh? I just don't have the chops. I...
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
You know what's a great one? Six. I love six. My best friends wrote that. Really? Yes. Six is one of my favorite musicals. I took my whole family to go see it because not everyone. Divorced. Not bad. Girl. Died. Start to finish. I recommend Six to everyone who's like, if they're not a big fan of musical theater. I love musical theater, but like.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
I think so. I'm in. And I always recommend six because when people aren't really huge fans of musical theater, I'm like, you'll enjoy six because it's all it's just a concert in and out. Eighty five. Exactly. It's real quick.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
you got the happy moments you got the sad and it's funny as fuck girl power absolutely and it's so entertaining like i took everyone in my family even and my dad doesn't really care for theater just because like he i don't know why like he just doesn't enjoy it even my man is like yeah that's cool whatever they were having a blast with it yeah they loved it and i was like yeah exactly i always recommend if that started at the edinburgh fringe festival did it really i did not know that
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
me too me too i know we we do have to go see a show because i haven't seen like husked is that what it is shucked a shot not husked that oh i know it's corny i think husk is the name of your musical that's mine or your second book sorry working title working title working title that we have to put working titles so people know but i know alex newell oh my that voice it's unbelievable that's why i was like just two voice lessons
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
there you go that's what i was like yeah i know me me so but see that's why i love that we're we're theater girls we're in it yeah we're in it i used to watch the the legally blonde musical i used to watch on like a pirated recorded version the mtv version yeah i used to watch did you ever watch the reality show where they yes where they auditioned next too good yeah
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
I would love to know when you were doing your one-woman show, what was the hardest part and what was the coolest part? Okay. Because that is such a huge feat and accomplishment to do a one-woman show. And I saw nothing but wonderful reviews about it. I got five stars from the Scotsman, which was the biggest thing you could get.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Yeah, you do kind of eat like Buddy the Elf.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
A little bit, yeah.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
And if you have ADHD, I know it goes crazy, the procrastination.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
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The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
And she brought me one, too, and I put it in my room.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. That's how I feel about hosting. Like, it wouldn't matter if money came from it. I just really enjoy doing it.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
i think well first of all you're so magnetic already naturally which is is half the battle i think it's like it's an aura like would they when you're like fun and and welcoming and open like they're they're really cool like typically when they come but you have a lot of famous friends so you know what and do you notice it's like the people that maybe have connected with you online are the ones that want to come talk trust me i know it works a million times over and maybe
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
I don't know if we have... Working title.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Another working title.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Like, I've seen you hand out some things. I love... And they love a gimmick, too. Like, celebrities, some... Like, it depends on branding and, like, who you go with. But, like...
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
some of them are way more fun than others like some of them are like yeah fuck it do anything yeah and some of them are like no no no it has to be real like straight to the point whatever yes but even then i try to think of quite like i do standard questions in the beginning like one or two and then one kind of fun one that like wild engages them isn't inappropriate but it's still fun and like one of those so like when i did the white lotus obviously someone dies every season so i said can you look in the camera and give them a 10 second pitch why they should not kill you off this season
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
And they loved it. They were like, oh my God. That was you? You just came up with that? Yeah, I just came up with it. And HBO was like, sounds good. We love it. Yeah. And the snacks were a huge hit when I did snacks.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
if you see me with some arms flailing down the aisle yeah but you've seen you've seen teffy host too like teffy has a lot of energy too yeah love her you love you know what's funny i've said about teffy i've always because that's my sister i've literally always say what you think she's like in real or what you think i'm like in real life is how teffy is and what you think she's like in real life is how i am which is like i'm way more chill than teffy oh
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
A thousand percent. Tevye in real life is crazy.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
and she's always there yes and even like i'll be out with girlfriends who like are fully straight and they're like there's something about that girl that makes me just want to do something you know i've said before she's so easy to fall in love with i would rob a bank with that bitch right she could convince me to do anything and that's literally why i i got the last time i got like truly fucked up with tevi was at the people's choice awards yeah and it was me her and davis burleson oh and my sister so good and we love davis oh love and i saw chris there too chris olsen a
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
It's crazy how like the people in the industry that they that are accredited with being actors or theater people or comedians or what have you. They see a lot of potential in us that sometimes we don't even see in ourselves. Right.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
and they're like no no no you're you're a comedian you're a star you're you're a broadway star you are like they they tell us that themselves the internet's what tells us the opposite oh yeah they're like uh-uh why are you why are you there why are you there yeah always get her out yeah why why do tiktokers get to go to this well because you're talking about it that's why
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
yeah like when i commented yeah unfortunately for you you keep saying that and that's why they keep inviting us it's like uh when i was in the nba commercial last year like why i don't fucking know they asked me so of course i'm gonna say yes yeah and so when i went i even told people after because obviously men were pissed off that was my goal but i've said whether you like me like love me hate me you know me and you'll talk about me and that's why they picked me yeah
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
it's really that simple so true and they hate to hear it about you me and chris chris is everywhere and he's just gonna keep being everywhere i know well i'd love to know more about the book uh what your kind of process was with writing it i know you said it took about three years just because you had to kind of pivot a few times but how was the whole process in in writing it and everything i was starting doing artist way which was this like journaling kind of thing you ever did that
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
yeah caleb and you know oh i know caleb he said when my friends start reading the artist's way i'm like i think i'm gonna start checking in on you a little bit more something's a little off he's like let's get you some shoes with no laces and let's you know let's hang out a little bit more padded padded room
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
I see our future and it is so bright. I can see it so clearly.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
When I was like really dogging out the Brits for their cuisine, it was mostly just like an English breakfast because I was really excited to try one.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
One dimensional.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Yeah, the beans I think are trash, but like it's everything else too.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Yeah, totally. I especially because in my book, when I wrote about when my sister came out to me and when I wrote about me not wanting kids and why, when I wrote about those two things, I had to like share them, like obviously with my sister, I had her like. I explained exactly like how I was going to write it and in what way I was writing it. And so that she could consent to it too.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Because I was like, we don't have to include this at all if you feel uncomfortable with it. But I feel like it was imperative in my growth as like a woman, as an ally, as like just a general empathetic human being. It was like a huge...
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
um moving piece for me and becoming a better person and growing and changing and stuff because the way i reacted my sister came out to me wasn't inherently awful it wasn't like i hate you you're disgusting it but it wasn't good either it was just unsupportive and so that's why i felt like it was important to include stuff like that just because it's it is about you but it's about your faults it's about your mistakes it's about your mess
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
It's like the ebbing and flowing of it. Yeah. Yeah.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
And I want to share that with people. Absolutely. And I think that's more authentic. It's it's real. It's very human. There's nothing more human than fucking up. Honestly, there's nothing more human than like.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
wait i have so much we have to catch up on i have not been on this show since like day 173 girl and that's an exact day i know that really honey we aren't we aren't counting anymore no longer
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
growth and changing and realizing what once you held so dearly actually doesn't serve you right and like there's nothing I think more empathetic than that is like acknowledging that sometimes two things can be true at the same time like you may have been navigating it the best way you knew how but it also could have been harmful and it could have been hurtful and maybe it's okay that we acknowledge both of those things happened and we can and the important part is where you're at now like and like you said it's so important especially for the trans community especially now
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
To hear stories of families who have made it through.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
personally absolutely and other trans people the trans community as a whole like literature existing written by trans people for trans people yes is important for me i don't really care what most people think about this book but like i want the dolls to to be behind it absolutely and it's one of those things i think that makes you so uniquely yourself like you are and i and i'm saying this
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
we're baby girls like like we just we're just teenage girls navigating the world and i think um it's it's scary like i'm not gonna lie and say i'm not scared but um i am really proud to like have something like this going out there well that's because you're fucking brave you are and you always have been you've been brave from the day you started posting until now and you're still doing it now even even coming back after beer gate shows how courageous and brave you are
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Thank you. You know what's funny about that is Chris told me that. And Chapel's told me that. Like, that's a big reason why Chapel loves me and she's told me is because – I stand up for myself, and she's told me before, I admire that about you, like boundaries, setting boundaries with fans or people who hate you.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
on on those haters me too and i and i you know what's funny is me and caleb actually talked about this that you and i are two sides of the same coin in a lot of ways like we've talked about how the way you handle hate and any sort of vitriol at all is with beauty and grace and compassion like you you are still being so brave and so courageous and still finding joy even when
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
People are determined to take it from you. Mine's a little more violent than that. But I was like, I love the way Dylan handles it. And Dylan loves the way I handle it because we're two different people wishing we could have the other.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
And that's a damn good one, Dylan. Thank you.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
That's a great one.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
wow i got got it cleared by the uh by the coach i said approved i got a big green stamp for me well before we move on i'm gonna i have some fun facts about you oh shit that's we're kind of where do we get those famousbirthdays.com okay it says it says you're an official certified vinyasa yoga teacher yes
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Can I tell you, Dylan is someone who truly, like, if she wants to learn a new skill, she just goes and joins a class and learns the skill, masters it, and then goes, all right, I think I'm going to move on to the next thing. I think we're good. I think we wrapped. Yeah. I think I got the gist. It's done. Once you become, like, a certified master in it, she's like, yeah, okay. That's it.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
You're a woman of many hats. I love that about you. True fact. It says on here, her dad is known as the cookie man around San Diego. He loves to bake cookies and gives them away to people for free. She once said he bakes 500 cookies a week.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
No, wait, you're, you're misunderstanding. It says you were in glee club in high school.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Like, let me explain.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
They looked like the Les Mis kids.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
But you had a hand in trying to kick it off.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
But you loved Glee. And you know what?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
You abandon ship.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
You know when to call it.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
When to fold them. Also, did you like... You liked Glee, the show, right?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Oh, my God. How fucking fun. My sister and I were on... Oh, the Glee podcast? Yeah, the Glee podcast, which was a blast. And I talked about how I'm not going to teach your boyfriend how to dance with you. They were like, I was kind of shocked. They were saying like, I don't know why so many women like that one.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
And I said, my theory is that when you watch Darren Criss perform it, because obviously Darren Criss plays the gay man in the show. When you watch it, straight girls are kind of like, on a second wait he might be eating it up a little bit so good yeah they're like attracted to him so they're like wait actually i love this camera culturally queer
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
when i had rebecca black on we joked about her obviously we joked about friday like she was talking about it she was like saying that was her 9-11 right when she had oh friday yeah and then i said true true i said but in my head i thought of this joke and i forgot to bring it up on the episode so now i have to bring it up here um at least she got a glee cover out of it they they did friday yeah they absolutely did they better paid her for that so i said a glee cover small price she's bad i wish i had i'm still waiting for my days of girlhood cover on glee
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Still waiting. Reboot. Tell Chris Colford to get to it. Okay, what else do we have on here? It says, Dylan performed in How the Grinch Stole Christmas at the Old Globe in San Diego when she was just 12 years old.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
You said, okay, okay, I forgive you. That's the one piece of news that could have made this better.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
We'll take a trip down to San Diego. Right. I got to get into that. It says you were a huge Jesse McCartney fan as a teen. I don't want another pretty face. Finding several stand posts about Jesse. I don't want just anyone to hold. On Dylan's old social media. Uh oh. And you went to see him perform at the mall.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Taryn Killam as the love interest.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
I'm Sharpay, I think.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Right. But this time you play Sharpay. I'll play Ryan.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Okay. Gender band Ryan. I love that for us. I was obsessed with High School Musical when it came out.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
I loved it. And none of my friends gave a fuck.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Yeah, I was the only... It's so much so that when I graduated from, I think like...
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
eighth grade because it came out a couple i think i was in eighth grade a couple years after it came out but like i those little shoes that gabriella wears all throughout the first high school musical what are they they're like a the tiniest little like mary jane with the tiniest little heel she wears them with every outfit throughout the entire movie go clock it i wanted those so fucking bad i was like telling mom i have to find these shoes they're not even a kidney not even it's like they're like a preemie yeah
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Yeah, it's a preemie heel. It's a two centimeter high heel. In a round toe.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
I said she's eating that shit up. Every little like...
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
oh i love that yeah i used to call them clappy shoes as a girl i was like i need their heels but i needed a heel so far that's why i said like i've been uh that girl that kind of girl forever like i'm like i need a heel i need a lash i need a nail i love it that's one of those why i hate that i had to i gave that up for a second and i'm back baby i'm full now you're making up for lost time now obviously oh my
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Okay, let's see this last one. Oh, yeah. It talks about your solo show. Oh, Edinburgh. At the Edinburgh Fringe Festival. What's your dream role? I would love to know what your dream role would be.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Obviously. It has to be.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Ad-libbing everything. Okay, I'm going to circle back to your book. Deal. What would you say was the hardest thing to write about?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
She said, anyway, I said, good pivot.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
what's it about podcasts that you come on and you just will say anything it's fucked up it's a real truth serum it's insane yeah it goes pretty crazy over here i feel like with your ability to articulate something like that i think will be very impactful for a lot of reasons i hope people who read it are not just people obviously who want to and need to i hope it's people too who may be
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
oh my god jojo dylan i was like yeah megan didn't shout me out thanks megan yeah no but she did let me bring 10 people so she give and take you do sometimes bring a crew i brought multiple books knowing that the family would be that is true dylan brought a book for each of us i love that that's becoming a moniker for me i do want to talk about your one woman show
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
I know. I agree. Same. That's why I think your book is so important. I think your presence in general is so impactful and important in so many different ways. And I feel like a lot of people don't talk about like there are other trans women who are huge names now, too, as well. But like...
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
What people I think yourself included only see is like the end product they don't see any of the before or how terrible it was or how hard it was it is it's hard to blaze trails it's it's fucking hard to go first it's hard to be the first the first that people see the first that people come in contact with like.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Yes, I've been to the White House. Yes.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Yeah. And if the whole point is to avoid performative nature or acts in general, then it has to be natural and organic in that sense. But I also think, too, the understanding of good faith and good people is so warped now where it's just...
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
now like nothing you've ever done up until this point matters it's just it's almost like the clock restarts every single day which i think is fucked up in a lot of ways like especially for people who have consistently and fervently cared like even with this last election i still in like a couple weeks ago got comments about someone saying i never made it clear who the fuck i voted for is that a joke like it's a
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
hello i feel like i'm on the truman show because then i think you and i don't have a choice but to be political because our lives are political and what if you did and that person didn't see that video that's why just look at me bitch what do you think is what i want to say like that's what i always think i'm like use your fucking brain like really think about it like actually think about what could possibly be the reason that you would ever think otherwise like just ask yourself that question
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
And I also think, too, in taking my break and everything, because I know you took a break, too. I took a break. I talked to Chris Wilson about it.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
i feel like it re-centered me in a lot of ways but it it helped me a lot to like remember why i started doing this in the first place what i love about it like that's why i loved what you were saying about your one woman show because it is so important to remember why we started doing this in the first place like we didn't ask for this to happen it just did and we fell into it and we're so grateful and so happy about it but at the same time
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
It comes with issues that no one could ever understand how to deal with or navigate. It's just us. We're the only people who can understand. So sometimes when new people come up, I always tell them, make friends. make friends with other creators. Yes.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Because I'm so fucking happy for you. But I would love to know how that came about.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Me too. Exactly. I, and I've said that too. I'm like, I'm so tired of being used as like an example of, as if I'm not a real person. And I know you're tired of being treated that way too. It's like being treated as like an idea.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
never looking at tiktok oh that was my favorite part i i had never felt so free i was like did you feel like when it was down for that 12 hours did you like did you feel like a sense of freedom or did you feel like what did you feel i felt sadness more so for the all the wonderful things that tiktok has brought into my life but generally i was like i'll be all right next yeah i was literally like did you get a red note
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
No, I didn't actually. Yeah. I never ended up getting one. I was, and I think, you know, this too, Chris, we talked about this Chris too, but like, it's always been a vehicle. It's never been the end goal. Like you and I, we've talked about that for a long time. Like we, we have bigger plans.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Exactly. Those plans are set in motion. Right. So I was like, it's never been the end goal. It's always been a vehicle. That's how I've been looking at it.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
And for years, I know you have, too. So I know that's why I wasn't as like about it. But I was sad about it, obviously.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
what it brought me and gave me. So I did feel sad, but I was also like, well, I mean, I'll keep going.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Oh, the Jonas Brothers. Nick Jonas.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Oh, hell yeah, girl. I met them as adults. Yeah. Honey.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
That's right. He is. You want to go? I would love to.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
And I also love that. Jeremy Jordan in the last five years.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Jamie is over. Jamie is over. Yeah. Jeremy Jordan and Anna Kendrick in the last five years of the movie.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
the like the intersection of like a lot of people like jet skiing we're not so different after all no no at the end of the day we all love to jet ski don't we we are the world i loved your story when you said i've been running around asking each of these gays if any of them knows how to do a french twist
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
and i was like you poor girl like she she did i look great yeah but you did you looked fabulous thank you so much and you had the time of your life you've been on a cruise ever no i'm actually kind of afraid of cruises what's up with that i think i just think about the titanic since we were talking about it i just get a little worried what you wouldn't want it to go on that one i don't know did something bad happen when that one went out yeah i worry about being stranded at sea not my fave
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
oh that's i think we should do a show i'm to the musical it's six but less than four we gotta start writing stuff down we gotta start writing we can put something together they pay well the gays do have money i'm telling you good gig you didn't know you didn't know about it no that's true you know what's funny my manager told me that it's pretty common for older acts that were really successful at one time to do nostalgia cruises so they do like themed cruises and it's just like them and it's everything's themed around them
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
wait like as a person yeah like it could be a person or it could be like me trying to think of someone like if the jonas brothers were like i'm gonna do a jonas brother cruise like someone would eat that up that you you would buy out the entire boat so it's just you that's so cute yeah i'd be the captain it'd be a crew of two you and i wait you know who could maybe do it jesse mccartney a jesse mccartney cruise and you would be the captain of that one
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
so i know my man don't don't dye it don't bleach it you know what's funny is i did go blonde at one point not fully fully platinum blonde but i took it all the way up to the root probably in college when i was like 20 1920 but it took me like a year and a half two to get that high because i was trying to save my hair and then as soon as it got up there i was like oh hate it need to go back because i can't fathom going back every like six weeks or so oh
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
And I saw your video about like, you said the arrogance I had.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
The purple shampoo.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
You know what's funny is he's told me that. He's like, every time you tag me, you write something like, yeah, exactly, exactly. Well, maybe if they learned to get it, they would get it. Nobody's ever fighting me.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Hey, you don't want the tags anymore. Just let me know.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Okay, last couple questions. Well, first I want to say, obviously we've been joking about how it's been years since we came on the pod.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
But I would love to know what you feel like you've learned or how you feel like you've grown from then until now. Oh my gosh.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
yeah oh shit is this what it's like i think given what you've been through i'm sure it would be hard to believe that you could be happier than you were before that happened to you but now you're even happier yeah than you ever thought you could be do you ever think about like if none of this had happened though for you Oh, yeah. Sometimes I dream about it in a good way.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Like sometimes I think like if I never did this, I could be living anywhere I wanted in a normal way and nobody would ever know who I was and that would be a good thing. But I think when I have those moments, I acknowledge that I'm allowed to feel that way because...
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
this is a job that has exposes you in ways you never thought you would ever have to deal with or or let alone stomach or like go through be subjected to but then at the same time i think if i wasn't doing this i wouldn't be walking in my purpose the way that you are too your purpose i think your purpose more than anything is to be yourself and continue to be yourself like like i said what you do is brave it is courageous and i admire you for it it is fucking hard to exist just as you are on the internet
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Absolutely.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Yeah, I agree. I think that's a beautiful thing. And the last thing I want to ask you about your book is what do you hope people take away from it?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
And Dylan's fucking hilarious. Can I just say I know sometimes people don't associate you with being hilarious because you're so joyous and talented.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
It's actually, I have so many of my book that I have like, they're in all my bookshelves. I have multiple bookshelves.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
so and fun and messy oh just everything everything you could ever want i was like that's why i'm like i'll never understand um an unhealthy and bigoted obsession with trans people and also people with no trans people in their life i feel sorry for them so sad for them i feel so fucking sorry the dolls you have a you know a lot of them
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Yeah. Me and the dolls. I said me and the dolls. Hand in hand. Me, the dolls, and drag queens.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
I love drag queens. Oh, my God. Wait, did I tell you that?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
you're all miss him i love him i should call i should call i should call santa i should call santa me and trixie canceled on filming on each other uh like days apart like she canceled on me and then i canceled on her two days later and then she's like i love this for us i love that we do this yeah and like there's no no harm no foul i was thinking there is a new like trans owned bar like it's like a doll bar in nyc i think
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
we're on it right now we're on it right now currently we're spearheading it oh aye aye well thank you so much for coming back i fucking love you i love you so much i'm in love with you you're the best i can't wait who knows what's gonna happen next i know girl next time we see each other we'll be on fashion it's gonna be And obviously everybody already knows you and knows where to find you.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
But you can tell them if they don't. And also please tell them where they can get your book.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
yeah and it's gorgeous are you kidding me and i'll tell you what they do care a lot about aesthetics of a book the girls they care they love when they're what okay when you think of like other than your own yeah what's a cute book oh cute let me think other than yours i think this is so fucking pretty i think uh jeanette mccurdy's is oh yeah yeah this is great i'm trying to think of like
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Well, thank you all so much for joining us on this episode of the comment section. Thank you to my amazing all-star guest, Dylan Mulvaney. Obviously make sure y'all go follow Dylan on literally everything. She's a fucking superstar and I love her and y'all already know this and make sure y'all pick up her new book, paper doll notes from a late bloomer.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
It's available now anywhere you can buy books or stream audio books. Oh my gosh. How exciting. I love you. I love you. And thank you all so much for joining us. Don't forget new episodes of the comment section drop every Wednesday. You can stream the audio on all streaming platforms, but the video list for free and exclusively on our favorite platform, Spotify. Thank you so much to Dylan.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Thank you so much to all of you and I'll see you next week. Bye. Bye.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Yeah, like joy. Yes. Yeah, totally.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Totally, yeah. We were like right next to each other because we were blowing up at the same time. Yes. Yeah, like, so we were holding each other's hands. Exactly. Yeah.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Comment Section Show. Sorry, me, your fave. Everybody knows me. Who cares about me? On to the guests. Today, we have another iconic all-star episode for you all. The one, the only, the talented, the beautiful, the published, Dylan Mulvaney! Hey! Woo!
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
I mean, I think for you, because you're my girl, I think the biggest thing I would tell you is that it's yours no matter what. And the purpose of art is to put it out there. It's not about reviews. It's not about accolades. Those are great. And they're wonderful.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
yeah i tried not to like i i mean i'll say this i the only ones i really saw were positive the ones that i saw that were because it's a fucking great right the ones that i saw were were negative or could be determined as negative like perceived as negative were more so things of like people saying i already knew this The people who said, I already knew all this stuff, I was kind of like, okay.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Because they're all cis straight white people, so I'm like, doubt it, but okay. Past that, they would say things like, I thought it was going to be an insult guide.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
exactly so it's like a very superficial take on my content is me as a person so i would say like not to really pay attention to that and more so to like why you did it in the first place like that's what i would focus on because i was really really nervous too about putting it out because it was so vulnerable which i know i'm sure yours is scary
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
yeah because it's like you're sharing something that's a piece of you it's not like it's not something that you created and it's just like well i don't care either way it's like literally you're putting it's like ripping your heart out and putting it on display people are like i don't know i don't really like it i will especially because i think so much of what we give or share is generally free exactly and so i was like if i'm asking 28 from these people it better be good mine was 28 too period girl
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
yes this is dylan's version of the cover that is so fucking cute and it's a paper doll and so that was like the design was were you like was designing it hard for you yeah i was into it i was very into it too like especially as a virgo too i was very like well no even like from the minute i sold it i was like okay i know what the i want the cover to look this is it
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
are you ready sounds like i'm introducing you at wwe i'm i mean that's what 2025 is baby right it's mayhem that's where we're gonna go next we're gonna take another another thing i can't wait i brought you a little something oh my gosh please let's see it you ever tried a percy pig i've never had one okay so these are from the uk where we're inevitably gonna have to move when shit becomes handmaid's tale all right for audio listeners i'm currently taking a percy pig sweet i'm gonna eat it on camera
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Yeah. Title was the shockingly the hardest thing for us to come to the middle on. OK, because I was really hard pressed on. I'd rather die alone. That's what I wanted it to be.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Because I was like, it sounds like Jeanette McCurdy's like, I'm glad my mom died. You know, like snappy catchy. Because at first my publisher was like. I don't know. It's a little negative. And I was like, I know, but that's the thing. It's ironic. And I was like very married to that title. Even throughout writing it, the first, second, third pass, I was still like, that's the title.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
That's the title. And then once my publisher read the whole manuscript front and back, and then the next few passes, he was like, I think the title, that title makes sense after you read it. And he was like, but it's not indicative of what it is when you first like see the cover.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Absolutely.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Oh, yeah. I'm so happy with the title and the subtitle because I came up with them on my own. Because, you know, the titles can be very collaborative, too. So that's why I was like, I really want to at least come up with it if I can.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
It's the perfect title for your one-woman show. It's such a good title.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Yes, I was going to ask you about the process.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
That's exactly what I said when they kept saying memoir. I was like, I'm not old enough to warrant a memoir.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
So that's on me.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
But that's a that's a real. Oh, yeah. And I dedicated it to you. But OK, I think that's actually a good friend, though.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Exactly. It's funny, too, because when I was originally doing mine, it had a completely different title. It was how to make a grown man cry.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
Yeah, exactly. And I made sure because I thought the title was silly and fun. And I remember I told my team specifically, I was like, I need you to put working title on there because I don't want it to be called that because I don't want it to be about men. Like I kept insisting that the title needs to indicate that this is not for men. It's in spite of them. Right.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
WE'RE PEOPLE GIRLS Ft. Dylan Mulvaney | Episode 160
And so even with publishers I met with, I was like, this is not a dating book. I cannot stress that enough. Like this is not a dating book.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Petitos Speak Out About New Doc, and "Snow White" Controversies and Baldwins Red Carpet Drama, with Link Lauren and Christian Toto | Ep. 1031
In the shower. On a walk. The Dylan Hour. Feeling sweet. Feeling sour. I feel nothing. The Dylan Hour. My couch is open. It's better than therapy. All you soccer moms. All you days and thems. All you bottom boys. My bisexual femmes. Come one and all. Disassociate with me. It's free. Grab a drink. Or two or three. You have no friends. All good. You got me. It's the Dylan Hour.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Petitos Speak Out About New Doc, and "Snow White" Controversies and Baldwins Red Carpet Drama, with Link Lauren and Christian Toto | Ep. 1031
It took a lot to not feel guilty about that experience because I felt like it was my fault. And in that me taking this one brand deal was affecting trans people globally. I think extremists and transphobic media needed a poster child, but I would have never taken any deal that I thought could negatively impact me or the community. It resulted in a lot of suicidal ideation and dissociation.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Petitos Speak Out About New Doc, and "Snow White" Controversies and Baldwins Red Carpet Drama, with Link Lauren and Christian Toto | Ep. 1031
I'm still battling with some of that guilt and that shame and that dysphoria that was projected onto me during that time.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Petitos Speak Out About New Doc, and "Snow White" Controversies and Baldwins Red Carpet Drama, with Link Lauren and Christian Toto | Ep. 1031
We're going to the premiere of Will and Harper on Netflix, which is Will Ferrell. And I know you're a fan of his, right?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Petitos Speak Out About New Doc, and "Snow White" Controversies and Baldwins Red Carpet Drama, with Link Lauren and Christian Toto | Ep. 1031
Okay, good. And you always say you'd like to go to an event like this. So I'm down. We're going to do it. But my bitter is that I'm already preemptively a little nervous about what you're going to say to people.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Petitos Speak Out About New Doc, and "Snow White" Controversies and Baldwins Red Carpet Drama, with Link Lauren and Christian Toto | Ep. 1031
So let's practice this.
The Megyn Kelly Show
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When somebody says, so, Jim, what'd you think of the movie?
The Megyn Kelly Show
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Oh, good. Excellent. Oh, what's it like being Dylan's dad?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Petitos Speak Out About New Doc, and "Snow White" Controversies and Baldwins Red Carpet Drama, with Link Lauren and Christian Toto | Ep. 1031
Like you saw that I was a very feminine kid. Yeah. And so was it like a super surprise to you when I came out?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Petitos Speak Out About New Doc, and "Snow White" Controversies and Baldwins Red Carpet Drama, with Link Lauren and Christian Toto | Ep. 1031
Hopefully, we don't get our rights taken away.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
and i hit cancel decline decline forward to i'm busy i'm at face gyms sucking on thumbs tell me okay yes also i have a couple more cities left on this like winter tour that i've been doing for my solo dates if uh this episode is it's march 11th so i still have one show available for toronto okay all three of the other shows have sold out hello toronto i know I'm excited. Mother's dumplings.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
And then March 16th, I'll be in Buffalo, March 22nd, Vancouver and March 23rd in Edmonton. So I'm going to be hitting up Canada. And I guess Buffalo's in there, too. So come get a ticket. They might already be sold out, but you're going to want to see it. They definitely are not sold out.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
At my wedding, my dad, well, when I got engaged, my dad really, really, really wanted to, as a way of welcoming in Nazar to the family, and I think this is very common for Midwest dads, my dad wanted to make and give Nazar a gun to welcome her into the family.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
And my wife is exactly along your lines. She is a queer person from the Bay Area. She's never going to allow a gun in the house.
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#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Ain't going to happen. And I told him that. I said, it's not even worth it for you to buy the parts. Yeah. She won't take it. And I don't want it to be like, she's declining your olive blanch. Yeah. From the Golden Girls.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
And it's a gun. Yeah. We would take that. That's coming in the house. I'd put my foot down somewhere. Any whoosie. I said, don't do that. Do something else. He's like, I'd like to make her a coffee table. Made of guns. Made of blanches. Dude, stop.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
I said, that's a beautiful idea. I said, that's actually really sweet. And I think that she would really like that.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Made her a coffee table, designed it, got another friend of mine's dad to help, who's also in the Midwest. It hinges and it opens so you can work at your table and eat at it. I love that. The sides of it are a bookshelf, which is very unique to her, to hold her books. And he made it for several months, and it was a surprise to her. He presented her a miniature version of it at our rehearsal.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
because obviously you can't it's heavy then just this last week he spent four days driving from minnesota to california to deliver her the coffee table and then drove four days back okay scared the coffee table because i don't know if you my dad my dad is a dad in the sense that he was like yeah i can build a table but he never has the um Where the books go is too small for all of her books.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
You can't put a single book on it. And when you open the coffee table, it's so big. Like, he made it, like, really big. It does take three people to crank it open. And I... For the FTR, FTR, FTR, real talk, real talk, real talk, real talk, it is beautiful. I like the table. But also, for real, for real, for real talk, it's useless.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
And I'm Rachel Scanlon. We have an amazing episode. Obviously, we have a huge guest. A huge guest. But also, there's a lot of things that we need to get into. Yeah. Okay? There's a lot of things that need to be addressed. Number one, I don't know if you wanted me to tell them this or not, but you and I were just doing... Jokes in the bathroom. At work. Shout out Spotify.
Two Dykes And A Mic
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Right. What do you do with it? Here's what I'm wondering. What's the worst gift you've ever received? And now what do I do? Oh. What do I do?
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
And our community only communes in the dumpster. Yeah. That's what we're having Thanksgiving.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Yes. Yeah. We saw the color. She's expensive. Look at the side pages being colored. That's giving gingham. Yes. Oh, my God.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
It is a timelessly beautiful photo.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
I have a question for you guys, because I do have books in the house, because I've recently been unpacking all of my wife's books into our new place, and I kind of want to build, I've never built, but I want to build a floor-to-ceiling bookshelf with a ladder next to it, kind of giving like, oh, we're at a library, and then we fuck. You know what I mean?
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Kind of exciting, because something is very arousing to be around books, but I don't necessarily know how to read them that well. But my question to you guys is, do you have a preference on how you organize your books
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
They let us record here and we are so grateful.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Right. For sure. The ladder would basically just go like, eep. And then back. But that's all I need.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
I think color coordinated is cute. I thought maybe size would be more important, but it's color. It's color. It's always going to be color.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
We act crazy because I get nuts here. Also, I feel insane in general because like... You, and I don't know what to say, and I'm sorry, you are getting hotter every day. You are aging into your peak hot. Do you know sometimes straight women are like, oh, I was hot in high school when I was a cheerleader and Brad wanted my pom-poms. You know what I'm talking about?
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
They'd have to burn it. You'd have to, which you never know. But this is what I think is very interesting about having like. more queer people being able to make stuff, right? If there's only a handful of trans people writing books, then it's very easy for the other side to go, that's the one. And you have to be perfect and speak for everyone.
Two Dykes And A Mic
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Where if there's so many more of us creating, writing books, doing podcasting, making stuff, then there allows queer people to be like, oh, this is the dumb dyke who likes to squirt and play rugby. And then there's the smart ones that know more about stuff. Yes. Like being able to have a range. It's like you can be a musical theater person and just do whatever you want to do. Exactly. More.
Two Dykes And A Mic
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Well, and that's also what makes people want to read the book, too. It's like you're showing more than the things that we have seen. I mean, there's that and there's more. Yes.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
it's very easy to be like, well, why did that happen? But sometimes like, it's not our issue to figure out why because people are awful. And that's like, there's doesn't need to be a lesson and you could just move through and like, thank goodness this book is here. You know what I mean? Cause now it's like how beautiful that this exists.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Yeah. I feel like I learned that like. At year, probably too long, but probably year six of doing stand-up, I was like, oh, wait, there's my audience. And that doesn't need to be every single person. Right. And it shouldn't be. Not every single person should, like, love my stand-up. Right. But the people that do should like it.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Yeah. Yeah, 100%. I still have to do spots there all the time. Even while curating my own fan base, you'll still do.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Brad wanted my pom-poms is the funniest thing ever. Hey, you know straight women, super deep voice, super growly. You, every single day, you are getting hotter and hotter to your peak hot, which I do believe will be 80. I hope so.
Two Dykes And A Mic
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Well, 100 percent. I think there's like a huge thing, too, where you're if you're and I've done I've been done this a lot in the earlier years of me doing stand up. If you're trying to make a room full of straight people laugh and you're kind of doing these like inside queer jokes like, well, jokes like, oh, the worst drivers in the LGBTQ plus community are bisexuals. We can all laugh. Yeah.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
You get a room full of straight men going like, yeah. Yeah, bisexuals sure are shitty at driving. And you go, wait a second. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Now it's not fun. Not at us. Now it's not fun anymore. Yeah, you got to be really aware. And I think it's interesting, too. Go ahead. Yes, please.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
They're not using their critical thinking skills anymore. They just see something and they react. And they don't get Broadway.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
We're both huge musical theater heads. Please, I'm in Elso. Yeah. Oh. Come on.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Yeah. Oh, wait, that's really sweet.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
I would like to think that I could be... God, at this point?
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Melchior would be sweet. Yeah, I definitely want to be the boys at school. Yeah, that feels right. Like one of those hot boys.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
This is exactly right. That was the haircut. And the longer curler. It literally is growing into that, exactly. So I feel like I would stay there and feel perfect.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
So annoying. I wish I could be Collins, but my voice is too high, unfortunately.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Yeah. It's all I care about. Who's your favorite musical? That's what I loved about the book. What's your favorite musical?
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Well, it's special when you do it in person. You're making magic for people. Hell yeah. And sometimes when you're making content for people, there's magic that can happen. But every time you're on stage, you usually can get that. It's very special.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
And people don't talk about that enough. Amen.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Every time you can be in Scotland and then look at you kissing a Scottish person.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
And that's classic theater kid, by the way.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Okay, and so we're... We're LOLing.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
We're making the loudest toot sounds that you can make with a human mouth. It was just for fun. We're making each other laugh. We're having fun, okay? Nobody was really tooting, just for the record. We leave the bathroom. There's security guards here who are like the kindest, sweetest people you've ever met. They're the best. They both turned to us and went, are you guys okay?
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Rack them up. Rack them up. I want all my exes to have matching jerseys that say what number they were in order.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
To set it off. Thank God. Everyone's dressed in full black. You raised me up. So I can stand on mountains. Yeah. People are crying.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Yes. People leave one rose. Yeah. A hundred percent. A send off is beautiful and we would love to be there. Thank you. If you need any speakers, I can do scripture. I can do whatever you need.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
That's so 100%. You're in the right place.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
We almost went in to check on you guys in there. We thought we might have to check on you guys in there. And we're like, I'm red in the face from making toot sounds. They thought we were for sure getting West Nile. They thought we were super ill. And that is a really fun way to start your day. Wait, have you said your name yet? Yeah, I opened on it. Good. Thank God.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Well, it's nice, too. And then you're like, oh, if I just do it the way that feels natural to me, it's way better for everyone. Yeah.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
You can't even hear it. OK, but Kenny, you ever think about this? The toys might be silent, but I don't know if I'm going to be able to stay quiet after this. No, no way. This is insane. No. And honestly, so Balessa is women owned, but they're for everybody, which is why I feel like the design is so cool.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
I said, hi, this is Eleanor Roosevelt. And I'm Eleanor Rosa Toot, our sister who's half toot, half human. Everyone stop. Stop. Before we get into whatever the fuck you're going to say. I have something that I need to tell you. Can we please let them know that there's still some tickets available?
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Yeah, ER is very, there's an allure to people who... Like and I think this is something that I like about all queer people is like we figure out who we are and then run right at it. And sometimes it's it can take a long time to know exactly. And there's like different paths or whatever.
Two Dykes And A Mic
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But as I like getting older, I like being as an older queer person as I age because I look at other people like in our age group and I'm like, oh, my God, we're like we've started to get there.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
It's so heavy footed. It's the inverse to like a twink walk.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
And you can oftentimes, and I don't want to sound like a hag, but you can hear a carabiner jingling. Coming at you. On the hip. Right on the hip. Or way too many coins.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Who do I want to have on my pocket?
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
It's so funny that you're hugging the ball, which she can't. She's in the ball. She can't quite get her arms around. I wonder if she kind of like patted at it. This is my first fashion week event. Like, fuck yeah. Yeah. Fuck yeah.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
She's a stomper. For sure has the stomp down. In a big way. Yeah, there's a lesbian stomp in a huge way. Wait, are you ever going to write a musical then?
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Yes. Is that what you were doing in Scotland?
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
And it's your passion. I love it. I feel like every time we were speaking, I'm like, there is a love for this thing. I'm like, I can't wait to.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Her and all that leather. Yeah. My name is Regina George.
Two Dykes And A Mic
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Wow, thanks so much for listening to this episode with Dylan Mulvaney for part two. You can now listen and watch by subscribing on Spotify and Patreon. The episode is so good, you guys. Really gonna enjoy it. Thanks for listening. We love you.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
We're going to start off in April 1st in Cardiff. Then April 2nd, we're going to be in Brighton. April 4th, we're in London. Then April 17th, we're in Madison. 18th, Minneapolis. Shout out my hometown.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Shout out my dad, who will for sure be there. Yeah, he will.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
He'll be out front taking pictures with all the Diane's and Cheyenne's alike. You know that. And the gay boys who like us, we call them... The guy-ands.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
And that's going to be really fun because Mitch McConnell is the guest.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Yes, also every other seat for you cuties out there. Hi. I have to tell you something. Please do or I walk off stage. I walk, I go right back into the bathroom, and I keep making those loud toot sounds.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
You don't work out like that. I don't work out. Also, your energy... Is less of like, hoorah, drop and give me 20. And it's more like, I went for a gentle walk. You're more like Tai Chi. If that.
Two Dykes And A Mic
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off I don't like okay can I just say for a second sometimes when you're in LA which we are and I love it but like at my core like my truest self is like a Midwest kind of straight shooting like you pay for what you get you use your coupons at Kohl's like you fucking go in and you get what's good and you get out yeah out here I hate the thing that's like you're at a boutique place and we do things a little differently no I hate it when they were like here's your trainer today
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
And we fight over who gets to keep what in the car, which, Melissa, send us more because I don't want to fight with my friend over sex toys because that feels like an HR violation. Don't tell them our car right here. No, these are honestly such incredible fun toys. And Melissa hooked us up and we're going to hook you up.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Did they put your bangs back in a sweatband? She put my hair up, yeah, for me. That was one of my favorite parts of the face, Jim.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
No. Yes. I didn't get that. And I did a face gym. I didn't get no bread ball. Everything they did, I was like, you gotta be fucking kidding me.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
She knows. That you're munching? You're worried she knows you're munching?
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
No, I couldn't afford it. A single add on that shoot is so pricey. It's shocking. They did. They take your necklace off. I didn't have a necklace. And forgive me if I've told you this before, but they took off my jewelry and it was so hard to get off and it was dying. Her fingers were green that she was like, I guess we'll leave it on then, girl. Because all my jewelry is like... Bad.
Two Dykes And A Mic
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Okay, well, I wouldn't say bad, but it is tarnished a lot. You have to get real gold. I'm sorry, should I just go dive into my pile of money and buy real gold at Face Gym? Hold on, let me go... Hold on, Kenz. Let me go walk into my bank vault... And grab a... All right, Scrooge McDuff. Yeah, no, literally, I have a pile of coins that I sleep in at night like it's Aladdin's Cave of Wonders.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Let me go pawn off one of my gold bricks and buy myself jewelry. I think you can afford more than Forever 21 jewelry from 16. Oh, I wish it was Forever 21. It is Claire's. And my wife has every month gets a free pair of earrings from Claire's. And that's why my jewelry turns people's fingers green. You guys are in your 30s.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
I can't believe you're making this Face Gym story about how my jewelry is bad.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
All you have to do is click on the link BB vibes dot com slash TD and you get a free sex toy. It's as easy as that. Literally, you're welcome. Hello. It's pleasure calling. Are you willing to answer? Thank you, Melissa.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
It's actually pretty imperative for me to know I'm pointing at my mouth hole. They don't massage. You mean to tell me they don't massage your jaw up through your ass?
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Black glove, unless you're getting a tattoo, is heinous. So black glove on. Thumb inserted into my mouth. Wait, did you curl your lips around the rest of her finger? Or did you keep it up? It's imperative that you listen now.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
And I sucked on that woman's thumb as it came out slowly. Like you were getting the last bits of Dorito dust off of her thumb. No, more sensual. Barbecue sauce.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
I should have just opened up. You should have opened up your mouth way farther. She grabs both thumbs then. Dude, it's too intimate. It was so intimate.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
If I'm sucking on your thumb. Exactly. Please. Anyways. And I want to suck on it on the way in.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Thank you. I paid for a face gym and honestly, I have not financially recovered. You never will. To be honest, it's been tough ever since. That's why I have Claire's jewelry hand-me-down from my wife because I went to face gym once and I got an add-on. Shout out Face Gym. And no, we don't pick what ads you listen to. We're the exact opposite of Giggly Squad.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
We're the exact inverse of Giggly Squad.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
She also left us a book and signed it, which was really nice and cool. I know. And I would say what it's signed. But it's too much of a spoiler.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
We cut and we go, fuck you. You bitch. You did bad. We're like, unfunny. Unfunny. Unfunny. I've got some notes on your performance at work.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
Listen here, bitch. A lot of podcast hosts hate each other's guts.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
And then you get one alone at... Stop, stop. Don't throw them under the bus.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
And they go, oh, I hate that fucking bitch. And what's crazy is you get us alone at... Or wherever. And we go, God, I wonder what Mackenzie's doing. It's us FaceTiming each other.
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
You know, you have the best friend when you hang out with other friends. And the second you're done hanging out with those other friends, I call you. And you go, this fucking bitch. I go, get a load of this. I go, get a load of this. I am like, yeah. You know what it is?
Two Dykes And A Mic
#303 - Paper Doll with Dylan Mulvaney (Part 1)
I think very people-pleasy people from the Midwest... have this thing in them that is like, after every interaction, I must pick it apart with my friends and family. Otherwise, I haven't processed the event yet. That's why every time I do anything, I call you.
We Can Do Hard Things
Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
And one of my favorite episodes, well, actually two parts if you haven't listened to it, which I'm sure everyone has because it's amazing. But Alex and I met working on Alok's doc, who is one of my best friends. And Alex was, you know, directing me in this short film. And... When we met, we started spending time together and Alex was like, I don't know about this whole TikTok thing.
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Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
It was so crazy to try to synthesize to someone that experience. Yeah. And it was at that meal with Alex. Alex was like, I think you need to read this book, Untamed.
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Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
And I had already – it's funny because I had been listening to the pod. I was like a pod follower but not – hadn't done the book yet. And that was about – that was exactly a year ago that I started the audiobook of Untamed. And – It came at the exact right time that I needed. I feel so lucky. I remember being in the middle of the book and then able to like voice note you was such a God.
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Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
But I mean, that's all that TikTok gave me was the opportunity to do that. And fuck yeah, I'm still in. I knew that that moment happened for a reason and that Alex connected us. And I just, it just kismet in many ways.
We Can Do Hard Things
Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
So essentially, I sort of became this trans poster child, not only for, you know, social media, but for like big brands.
We Can Do Hard Things
Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
I don't know why I thought that putting a piece of duct tape on my mouth was going to like get me 12 hours. And then what also confuses me about this one is there's a hole in it. And I feel like isn't that defeat the purpose? So I started eating these like hot chips last night through the hole. And then I had to take it off to brush my teeth. So I was a little tired this morning.
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Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
And I had no idea, like... When I was doing, you know, a Broadway show, I thought that was it, babe. Like, that was the most amount of money you could ever make. I was sitting pretty. I was like, this is everything. So there was no part of me that on social media thought you could make money from that. I thought that was our fun at the end of the day. And I was doing catering gigs.
We Can Do Hard Things
Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
And then maybe... 15 days into hosting, you know, Days of Girlhood videos, I got this offer. I think the first one I got was for like maybe OkCupid. It was like a dating app. And it had these numbers where I was like, oh my God. I was like... This is like, I could, what? So I started doing these ads thinking it felt creative. I was writing these little scripts.
We Can Do Hard Things
Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
I was making jokes and having the time of my life. And I didn't realize how they were kind of, I was their diversity hire. You know, a lot of these companies had never worked with a trans person before. And I think that was special, you know, when they did it right. And when they kind of let me make content that felt separate from my identity.
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Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
But I remember doing this food delivery app where I like sent them a really funny script and they were like, could you actually just talk a little bit more about your childhood trauma and how it was really difficult growing up to like be, you know, a trans person. And I was like, we're talking about delivering like groceries to my house. Yeah. But I did because I thought I owed them that.
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Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
And I sort of became this little capitalist robot because I didn't know what was happening to me. And I didn't know that I was capitalizing on my identity. And so I got really comfortable. I talk about this in the book of like,
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Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
At times, I think because I was comparing myself to these other influencers that were cis girls online that were doing the same brand deals and going to the same events, and I would sometimes forget that I couldn't operate the same way they did and be as comfortable as they did because I didn't hold that level of privilege.
We Can Do Hard Things
Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
I have what I believe to be probably the highest level of privilege as a trans woman in this world, but it's still not... what some of these other girls can get away with. And so I love beer. I always have. It's kind of been like my go-to. And it was funny.
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Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
I even just a few weeks ago, a friend sent me a video of me shotgunning a beer when I was probably, you know, 21 in the backyard of like a college frat party. And I was like, see, I did take it for the right reason. But I took the gig not for one second thinking, oh, this could go south.
We Can Do Hard Things
Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
You know, I would have never signed up for something that would potentially cause me pain or the community pain or even a brand. If I thought this was going to negatively affect a brand, I wouldn't have done it. I thought this was going to be great for everyone. So I posted one video, was fine. Carried on with my life. This was right after my first year of transition.
We Can Do Hard Things
Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
I had done this big show at the Rainbow Room. It was very Broadway. And I mean, that was like the happiest time of my life. And then... The second video comes out. It was April 1st, I believe. So it did kind of all feel like April Fool's. And I remember it was actually I was singing at this thing called Miscast Cabaret in New York City with, you know, Ben Platt and Rachel Ziegler.
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Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
And it was like one of those. It felt like this is what I'm supposed to be doing. Like, this is my dream. All the things that I've been doing propelled me to this moment. And well, a casting director came up to me right after the show was like, oh, my God, I've been seeing all this hate that you're getting. I can't imagine how you're navigating it. I'm like, what?
We Can Do Hard Things
Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
So I had my morning Dr. Pepper. And then I said, I don't think they're going to judge me for being in bed.
We Can Do Hard Things
Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
Like, I had no idea what she was talking about. And because I was just I was riding high. And so then I go and I like do a little Google, which is so dangerous. Never Google yourself. Worst thing ever. And I go, oh, no. And then I remember the next day, you know, a certain country star shot at some cans in my name.
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Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
But there was never a part of me that thought that this would go on or that this would become, you know, bigger than it was at that time. And I remember being like really frustrated, like, well, this is throwing a damper in my day. Yeah. And little did I know that it was going to be the damper of potentially my life, if not the last year of it.
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And I was just confused because I always gave the benefit of the doubt to this brand, to society as a whole. I was like, well, I'm trying to be a good person and they're going to be good people and we're going to fix this together. And then that never happened. And I will say, saying we can do hard things, I was thinking this morning about what is the hardest thing I've ever had to do.
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It's my favorite place in the entire world. I like to do everything in here. I eat. I write. I talk to you. And I just think we're about to have the best hour of our lives.
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And at first it was like, oh, maybe is it to come out as a trans woman? I was like, no. I was like, that was actually rather easy because it was so authentically me. It was so right. But the hardest thing was to make the video that said, hey... this, you know, beer gate has happened. This is what really happened. And I need to tell you all because this isn't okay. And I'm not okay.
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And this can't happen to other people. And why that was such a hard decision was, A, I was like, I don't want to hurt this brand. I don't want to make things worse for anyone involved. I was such a people pleaser. And that became even to the corporate level. And then B, you know, my team behind me that works with me, they did not think that fueling the fire was a good idea of me speaking on this.
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But it sat on my chest like an elephant.
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and I write about this in the book, the way that kind of my creativity works in the way that I share, especially online is like, if I need to say something and I can't say it, I can't make anything else. That's the only thing that's playing over and over in my mind. So for two months, I sat in this bed, which was once like my sanctuary and then became this kind of hellscape with
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people outside and being followed. And I felt so small, but there was this little sliver of a fight left in me. And I remember I'd waited two months and it still had not gotten better. And this was the beginning or no, this is even the end of pride month. Like we had made it through pride and pride was so bleak that year still is very awkward.
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I was like, I owe it to all of these people that followed me and that loved me and that have supported me. I owe it to them. And I thought a lot about the young people following me and setting an example of the internet. We talk about how negative it can be. And I knew that there were trans teens and young people seeing all these hate videos and reading those comments.
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And I was like, I need to show them that... I'm stronger than this and that this isn't okay and that I might not be okay right now, but I need them to know that we can't allow this to be a thing. And I felt really responsible because up until that point, I didn't know that what I was posting and what... my general moves were could affect the rest of the trans community in a big way.
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I realized that I became this poster child for the far right and for these extremists. And they were taking every word I said, combed through with this, you know, just the finest comb possible and taking anything out of context to use it against me.
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And I'm not an activist. And I really like to make that clear everywhere I go, any, you know, interview I do, because when I came out as trans, I think people that's what people wanted me to be because of my identity. But I sing and I dance and I write jokes. So I then had to realize, like, oh, my God, this extreme weight, not only the weight of like,
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sharing my truth, but now also of not fucking it up for the rest of these amazing, beautiful humans and these young people felt like it was on my shoulders. And so I had to outsource. And I talked with GLAAD. I talked with Human Rights Campaign. I, you know, talked to people like Alok and one of my mentors, Our Lady J. All of these
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people behind the scenes helping me navigate and a huge help actually is, is another mutual friend of Alex's, which is Maury Fontanez. She's my life coach. Thank God I was with her before beer gate, because I remember I called her crying and I was like, it's on the news. It's on the news. And she was like, baby, get ready. She was like, you just this, you just got a little bit more famous.
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And I was like, I don't think I like this. And yeah, She really has kind of helped me learn how to operate from my higher self and make decisions for my higher self. And actually her book came out today as well. It's called Higher Self. And it feels very kismet that one of my favorite people on earth is having a book come out as well today.
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It's very... They present their case.
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And I remember that time and being so proud that I was able to speak my truth. And that's what a lot of the what's crazy about the book, too, is that it was originally written. It's called Paper Doll, first of all. And it it was originally supposed to be 365 days of like trans joy and fluff. And after Beer Gate happened and, you know, I had done this book deal before my first year was even done.
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Oh my God. And Amanda, I'm so excited to finally talk to you because Glennon so graciously did my podcast and the theme was sisterhood. And we talked a lot about what that meant to both of us. And I got to hear so much about you and I just kind of knew that we were already going to love each other. And Abby, I grew up at that Catholic church too. I was listening to the
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So I was like, this is going to be a breeze. And then it came time to write it. And I was like, oh, my God, how do I feel now? deeply depressed. I feel disassociative. I feel isolated and alone. How do I manufacture that right now? But what I did have was I had a lot of journal entries for my first year.
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And, and then I was like, well, what if I separately write some essays about what's going on in my life right now? And so what I ended up coming out with is like A mess, a really beautiful, fun mess of like these joyous early days of transition through a journal entry and deeply personal things that people didn't get to see online. And then these essays about how I navigated out of the...
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media firestorm that I was under and who helped me and how Stella got her groove back. And in a way that felt very, you know, love warrior versus untamed because I, I was grappling with like, am I allowed to show people this side of myself? Am I allowed to curse? Am I allowed to talk about having sex? Am I allowed to be something other than this infantilized character that people have made me be?
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And that's where the title Paper Doll kind of came about because I think people started to see me as this like two dimensional depiction of trans womanhood. And I decided that that's not what I want to be. And, and how exciting is that?
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That's what. Yes. And I think that's what's really interesting because there might even be a few listeners that feel conflicted about me because of how I've been portrayed and how I even portrayed myself early on. And I think what I always ask for is patience, especially like if you think about
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Your teen years and the awkwardness that is finding your womanhood and what that means and the fucking dumb, weird things you wear and say, trying to be cool or trying to be taken seriously. I was like going through my awkward years. Totally. And I now, when I talk to trans women that have been doing this for 30, 40, 50 years... I'm still a baby trans person at three years, you know?
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And I guess if it was dog years, I'm like 21. But I think what is so frustrating is that I find femininity to be quite effortless for me, which is so... And we talked about this, Glennon. You asked me on my pod, you said, what is femininity to you? What does it feel like? And I said... buoyancy. And I said, lightness. And it's a bit effortless.
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Melissa McCarthy episode and was like, yep, can relate. I had a similar sort of nun experience where she said that animals don't go to heaven. And I said, you're wrong. And that got me grounded for like two weeks or so.
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And it's funny because I think about all the things that I do to feel feminine and many things that I don't have to do at all because I just am. But even all those things that I put hours of time, whether that's surgery or hormones or electrolysis or whatever that might be, it still feels effortless for me. And where the effort comes in
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is trying to prove to people that it's effortless to me and that they actually make it so much harder for me to access my womanhood because of the pushback and of the impatience. And I will say, I think there was a lot of trans people watching my journey that maybe didn't fully know, like, do we sign off on this girl? Oh God, there she goes again. Because I was so earnest and I was so excited.
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And it was like, I finally got invited to the party. And so I went all out. And then when this fall from grace happened through Beergate, I think there was a lot of trans people that were like, yes, greetings, loved one, that this is the reality of the situation. And thank God that happened. I mean, I'm still getting to the place where like, how can I see this as a blessing?
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And I now know that this happened for a reason. I think what I'm still waiting for is... the pink satin bow that goes on like why it all happened. And I don't think it's going to be for a very long time, especially with where we're at politically and, you know, with legislation for trans people. I think this is going to be a much larger conversation.
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And that was what's, I mean, back to mouth tape for a second. I was looking for the mouth tape of the situation of like, what's the quick fix here? How do I fix this absolute mess of, And then realizing that it wasn't only my mess. This is also the mess of a lot of other things in many years of just being looked down upon and being othered. So I think that that's what I do look forward to is like,
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finding the good of the situation. And the more that I can use that darkness and that situation that I went through to help others or to talk about it so that it doesn't happen again, that's a good thing, I think.
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Oh, no, no, no. No. I did kiss the Pope's ring once.
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It's like a celebrity sighting. Well, that was actually maybe my first celebrity I ever met. I was 12 years old. My dad took me to Rome to see the Rolling Stones. And so in the same day, we met the Pope and I kissed his ring. And then I met some of the Rolling Stones and I didn't really care. But I was told that that was big for some people.
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Well, but the craziest part is that I was earnest enough to believe that I could be, you know what? I'm going to go walk over there and I'm going to crack open a beer with them. And because I grew up, most of my family is very conservative. And, you know, I grew up, there's some dead animals on the wall. And I think that that's what
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helped me attempt to see eye to eye and to include everyone was that I was raised in a way that I knew that I was like, well, I know I'm going to be liberal and I know I feel this way and I know I'm queer and I know I'm trans. And yet I was still around all these people and that they learned to love me and my family, I'm really lucky, still does.
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And we are in communication and it's tricky and it's complicated, but the love is still there. And that's what I think was also really hard. And I'm still trying to figure that out currently of like, how do I not give up on an entire group of people that should know trans people and should. And what I think is really difficult is to go, okay, you know what?
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maybe I'm not their trans person anymore. Those people that don't understand, I think it maybe has to be somebody else because for whatever reason, their idea of me is so far tainted that it's so far gone that I can't help or I can't teach or I can't connect. But I know on a personal level with my family and them having different views than I do, which can be frustrating.
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that love is still possible. And that I think is enough for me to keep trying and to keep making content and to... keep putting myself out there and being wildly feminine and still loving pink and not being ashamed of it. But back, Abby, you know, you talked about like that ribbon of like seeing a younger generation now not have to make those same moves or explain the same way.
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I talk about this in the book a lot, but I went and did ayahuasca down in Peru. And the main thing that came up while I was on it was that A lot of queer children and trans kids and just everyone in general hasn't experienced like unconditional love.
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And if I, through my screen or wherever it is that I'm connecting with people, can show that and can also almost be like a bit of like a maternal energy to maybe people that don't have that or are lacking that. I need to lean into that. And so it was very healing when I went and did that. And actually, I guess I'll just say on this pod, like Ted Cruz appeared to me in an ayahuasca.
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I think I'm the only trans woman who's done ayahuasca that has had Ted Cruz appear to her while she's in Peru. And I remember being like, what the fuck are you doing here? And this mother ayahuasca was basically like, these people, someone like this person, lacks true unconditional love and, like, a mother's love and what that really looks like. And so... do not fight fire with fire.
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That was what's also tricky is like, there's been a few times where I've done some like little backhand, you know, trying to kind of poke the bear and get back at them. And people love that because they love to see the rise. They want to see me a little angry. They want to know that it affects me in some way. Even if I'm coming at it with still with humor and love, but it's still poking.
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But you know who I really do want to meet is Cher and Glennon. I got the video. I got the video. I saw what happened on that stage. I never want you to talk about being meek or small or anything ever again, because that was Cher. You are Cher.
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And it was like, don't go that direction. Try to just carry... I think the best weapon I have is my trans joy. And the more I can win, and the more that I can show and share my wins, the more that... they lose because their whole goal is for someone like me to not be able to have wins and to feel a lack of joy.
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And that's why when I think of like allyship, I think if there's any world in which you could help a trans or a queer person win right now, whatever that might look like, whatever platform big or small that might be, that's the way that we witness is through helping,
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I think I now, because of my actions of going online, sharing my identity in this way, I have a responsibility to educate myself as much as I can. Because then when I am on a platform or doing an interview, writing a book, I now need to have put in a certain level of effort.
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I'm getting much better too at understanding if something's above my area of expertise of being able to throw that to someone else. I write about in the book too, going to the White House and interviewing the president. What the hell? That was not my gig. How did that happen? And I now wouldn't take that gig, but early on enough, I thought that I was supposed to.
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But sometimes I think about having... had none of this happened, had I not put that video up there that first day, I was about to like apply to my local bookstore, Book Soup in West Hollywood as like a sales associate. And I sometimes like fantasize about, oh, what would it have looked like that way had I kept it all to myself? And I don't want to go there because that is ultimately regret.
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But I think that When I take away all of the external pieces and if I am just with myself, I'm good. I've got me. I know who I am. I love who I am. I love my womanhood. And it's when the noise comes in and when... Other people have access to me and my person that that changes. And so I think I'm starting to test my limits of like this big theme for this year is safety.
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And it was on my bucket list to like see Cher live. And now I just want to see you as Cher live.
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Also, funny enough, I'm really into vision boards. Haven't even made mine because this year is so uncharted that I'm like and safety is the top priority right now. It's like got to get through. But I am kind of testing the waters right now of like how... How much can I put out there without it making it on the news? And who should I surround myself with that makes me feel the most in my womanhood?
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Yeah, it's the Mercury retrograde. This past year was the Stella got her groove back kind of. I hadn't felt joy that after Beer Gate for about a year, maybe actually a year and a half, I did not feel joy, like pure joy.
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And then it was this past summer, I was in Edinburgh Fringe Festival doing a one-woman show that I wrote about kind of all of this and getting to put it to music and make people laugh. I looked out at the audience and I started crying. My first, oh God, now I'm crying on here. I thought that wasn't going to happen. I looked out at the audience and I thought, oh my God, I feel joy again.
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And it was almost scary because I didn't think it was going to be possible. Mm-hmm. And I was so grateful because I didn't know if I was going to have to live the rest of my life feeling like that. And I didn't want to talk about it or tell people that I felt that way because I didn't want them to feel the burden of knowing that that's how I felt.
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And I felt like I had this responsibility of like being this person that people come to to be happy or to make them laugh at the end of the day or they liked my pretty
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outfits on instagram that that's what they wanted and so it felt so good to be able to tell people after something like that that you will feel you can't feel joy again and and so that i think this year has felt like a black mirror episode in some ways and then also like a dream but yeah sorry i just went off on a tangent there so beautiful
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Thank you. It's hard for me to accept that, but I'm going to think about it until the next time we talk. I think that that's also what's so crazy about meeting trans people. And I guess like I'm biased because, you know, when I meet a trans person, I'm like, oh my God, it's my, it's my people.
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But I'm like, this person has had to jump through so many hoops and has, you know, has woken up every single day and has leaned in to their true selves to the point where they've externalized it and are willing to share that with me or with the world. And I just, I don't understand why. People are so scared of that when it is so fucking awesome. And talk about cool.
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I don't think of myself as cool at all, but I think transness is cool. And that's also, I think it's like, hopefully this younger generation, they aren't even having to come out. They're just like doing the damn thing. But I can only hope that they don't have to experience the level of vitriol that's currently happening.
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It's so crazy that it's politicized too in the way it is and sad. It's sad. And that's why I still think joy is the answer.
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Yes. Deal. Yes. I will say it's so easy to hear the negative. It's so much louder. And I think I now look at my life and the people that are around me, and I'm like, this is the people that you've looked up to, the people that you've loved. I sat in my... God, this is just so weird.
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I just remember sitting in my... I was driving up to my West Hollywood apartment, listening to this podcast and thinking, oh, what does this life now have to bring in this new chapter? And I want to thank you so much because... And even with the book coming out, I think it's going to be a lot of some of that negative. And I have to remember that there is a community here.
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And the one you got here is a really good one. And you've cultivated that. So that's no small feat. And I'm proud of you. And I'm proud of all of us for showing up. But I just love you. And I can't wait to keep talking.
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Cringe is in. Thank God. It's my moment. It's all our moments. And we've got to take it. We've got to run with it. And then I was doom scrolling at about 430 a.m. last night. And I see a video of Cher on a talk show. And she said, oh, God, I wrote it down because I loved it so much. She talked about how she was like wished that she was kind of a little bit more bad, like a bad.
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She was like, I was a bad girl, but I wish I was worse when I was younger.
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And I'm 28 right now. I just turned 28. I'm definitely, we'll talk Saturn return and, you know, I'm entering a very interesting period of my life. But I am like, wait, maybe I should be a little bit more bad girl before I like clean up shop and become Pollyanna. Yes. I love that she looks back and is like, oh, I should. I've never heard anyone say I should have been worse.
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I feel like that all the time. You looked good, honey. Thank you.
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Moms are my favorite people in the world. Right. And if I could just be around moms all the time, that's would be preferred. Hello to the moms. So if I'm just meeting you on this podcast, hello. I love you. My name is Dylan Mulvaney. My pronouns are she, they. I am a cringe musical theater girl from San Diego, California. And I am a proud trans woman.
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And I'm just trying to figure it out like the rest of us. And generally pretty chill. happy when you know the world isn't throwing too much bullshit my way but I think ultimately I'm a musical theater girl at heart and I love the color pink and I love to be in my bed which I'm in right now there you go you've already won them all over Dylan
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But this is yes. So the book is out March 11th. And that is my three year anniversary of sort of my days of girlhood series, which was a very happy accident. I was doing stand up comedy in L.A., Because I used to be... Well, I still am a Broadway performer. But when COVID shut all the Broadway shows down, I was doing Book of Mormon, the musical, and I was touring it.
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And I knew that theater was going to be the last thing to come back because we're all sitting in a theater. So I moved to LA. I started doing stand-up. And I was driving around town, you know, to do comedy for 12 people that weren't even interested in listening. And then I started posting on TikTok these videos of telling the same jokes. And all of a sudden...
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you know, you've got 50,000 people watching instead of 12 people. And I said, wow, this is a lot less driving. But then I was coming out as a, well, I've come out a few times in my life. And I think that was the last one on March 11th of 2022, maybe now. And I was like, God, this is so embarrassing. Like it's so millennial core to be like making these like
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crazy heartfelt coming out videos and because I had you know came out as gay well I came out to my mom when I was four as a girl and that didn't necessarily work out quite yet so I was like well I guess being gay is the next best thing so I very much was like this little twink running about San Diego doing musicals and that was kind of my safe place and I remember I
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the coming out process, just, you know, I never had that much shame about it. It was the people and the church and everything that made me feel shame. And I remember, um, in Catholic school, I went to confession when I was 14 and one of the priests, I was like the best Catholic kid. And I told the priest my, you know, very few limited sins.
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Hi! Hi honey, how are you? Hi, everyone. I'm in bed. But I figured if there was any podcast that I could do from this bed, it would be this one.
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Maybe I cursed, you know, maybe I, um, you know, disrespected my parents. And then one of my sins had to do with being gay in some way. And he was like, well, I can't absolve your sins. And I thought, well, that's just insane because everything else I've been doing right. And so I kind of flipped a little bit. And that was a very bad girl era, I guess, because I just felt so reckless.
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And I knew that puberty had brought up a lot of my transness and what was happening to my body. And I knew that It was not the body that I was supposed to be in. But I lived out my dream of, you know, being in a Broadway musical and I was playing this Mormon boy. And it was this very bittersweet thing of like, oh, I am technically doing what I love, but it's not something's not right.
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So when the pandemic hit. I started seeing, you know, on TikTok was the first place that I saw trans people other than like Laverne Cox on Orange is the New Black. I didn't know trans people. And I was seeing these amazing content creators. I was seeing non-binary people, which was kind of this other foreign idea to me.
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And I decided that the idea of becoming or stepping into my my womanhood was so far away and so scary. And how do I get there that I was like, oh, well, non-binary doesn't sound so bad. So I I went by they them pronouns for about a year and a half before that first days of girlhood video started.
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And I think of that as like kind of like if it was like Super Mario Kart, I like hopped onto like a little cloud for that second before really launching into the game. And it kind of unlocked everything because I think when you start to question your gender, it unlocks every part of you and identity. It started making these videos like it's a day question of the day. And I was
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talking about what my experience of being non-binary was. But actually through making those videos, I was like, well, and now I'm taking hormones and now I'm growing boobs. And so I think maybe some people watched that first video that I had made of my Days of Girlhood series and thought like, oh, did she just like wake up that day and decide like, Oh, that sounds fun.
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Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
It's perfection. Well, I didn't sleep very well last night because I'm trying to sleep tape. Have you seen this on the it's kind of everywhere right now?
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Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
No, I had been, I mean, this had been my whole life was like preparing for that moment. And I had already, you know, talked to my friends and family, but I was like, we got to find some comedy in the coming out video. So I did what was more so just like a silly, you know, day one of being a girl. And, you know, here I am, how'd I do ladies?
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Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
And it blew up in a way that I just couldn't have ever expected. And there was a lot of, you know, initial, push back and hate. And then there was some good people too. But I only made the second video as almost like a follow-up apology of like, no, it's day two and that's not what I meant. And then, well, maybe on day three, I can show them that I'm actually not a horrible person.
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Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
And on day four, I can show them this. So it started as this like, oh God, I got to clean up this mess in a way. And then It turned into the most beautiful thing because I was like, wait, I'm I'm sharing things with people that I think maybe is helping them or helping them understand that. I didn't know how transness fully worked.
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Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
I was a brand new, fresh trans person kind of trying to figure it out. And I think that was what was really beautiful about it was to let people in on that experience with me. And that's what's so crazy going back to your kids. I'm on that millennial cusp. So I can't believe that, you know, Gen Z really took to me and they supported me. And I was like, oh, my God, I'm so cringe. Wait.
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Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
It's like it keeps your mouth shut, which is good because I always want to go.
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Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
And I think it's just because, you know, growing up, I didn't have a lot of people to watch. Like if I had maybe more trans people to see on television or, in the media, I think that it would have unlocked something for me a lot earlier. And it's so sad that it's still so limited, the sort of the trans visibility of it all. But yeah, TikTok was this thing that, that blew me up.
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Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
And, and then I, I've been trying to navigate that ever since it's been three years, which is crazy.
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Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
I did not. The first... trans non-binary person I met was ER Fightmaster, who was like the first non-binary doctor on Grey's Anatomy and is now one of like my bestest friends. And we were doing, um, it was like a UCB show for, it was comedy. And I was during Book of Mormon in LA. And I remember looking at this person and being like, what's going on here?
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Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
And I was like, your name's Fightmaster, which I was like, that's fucking awesome. Can I curse? Yes. Um, okay. Thank God. And I, I was like, there's something about this human that is so in their power and is so confident and beautiful and funny. That was giving me permission. You know, this is someone who leans on the masculine side of things. And I was like, but I see myself in this person.
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Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
Mm-hmm. And then I had a classmate, Elle Duran, who we went to college together at the Cincinnati Conservatory of Music, which was not a very, I think it's a lot has changed, but it wasn't at the time very open to boys leaning into femininity. And I watched her start to make videos on her transness during the pandemic. And I was like, wait, this is someone I like went to school with.
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Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
And we had this past life together. And so I do think seeing other people live their life so authentically does unlock something, you know, whether it's about gender or sexuality or whatever that might be. And that's really what social media kind of did for me during that time.
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Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
I do like retro things, but I'm not in my cassette era yet. No, but this sleep tape, I think I got it. I'm kind of of the camp where I think if I get one thing, it's going to change my entire life and everything will be fixed. So I bought this because, you know, they said it snatches your jaw and you get the best night's sleep of your life. I have like insomnia.
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Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
Well, it's kind of made sense. most of my dreams happen. I didn't grow up in the industry. You know, my dad's in insurance, my mom was a nurse. And I think had I not put myself out there, I don't think I would have this book coming out today. I don't, I don't think a lot of these things would have happened.
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Dylan Mulvaney On the Hardest Thing She’s Ever Done
And so I am really grateful, but I also know what it's done to me psychologically and in having like There's no part of reading absolutely vile things about yourself every single day that's normal. There's nothing healthy or normal about that. And, you know, what's so funny is the reason, Glennon, that I think we're really connected is Alex Hedison, who is a dear friend to the pod.