Eamon Ryan

But there's no money for it, Clare.

Public transport has to be the priority.

It is the only thing that's going to work.

But it's not politically popular because there's a narrative out there that our time of government, we were against roads, we stopped it.

What we were trying to do is to get the public transport that we've never built, built.

And it is ready to go.

In Dublin, the DART, we have plans to double the DART in Dublin.

It's through planning permission now.

It's ready to go.

It doesn't have the funding.

We have 10 Bus Connects corridors that have been 10 years in planning.

And again, nothing being built.

We have a Lewis to Finglas that again, 10 years in planning, it should be built now.

Not any money.

They've roughly split it half and half.

But the problem is... But it's about priorities, isn't it?

When you build the roads first, the housing and other development patterns then undermine the public transport projects.

And also set you on a course that is unsustainable in climate terms, that never works in transport terms because it only leads to gridlock.

You would think we would have learned that lesson, but we haven't.

And I think the bill last week was, in my mind, the most sharp example of this, an acceptance of that car-dominated, unsustainable, high carbon emissions.