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Ed Ballard

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WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

The basic idea is it's faster than a mine.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

So to permit and develop a mine after you've determined that there are like enough rare earths in a certain place to make it worth building a mine, that can take like a decade or more.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

And so that is really not a fast way if you're trying to rapidly build up your own secure supply chain of rare earths.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

And so the idea behind the recycling is that you have all of this existing material

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

equipment out there in the world that is coming to the end of its life, and that is only going to increase, that can be harvested.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

We already recycle all sorts of other metals, like most of the aluminum in your drinks cans gets recycled.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

We're good at recycling steel.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

Most of the US steel is already recycled, but it's never been economically viable

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

to recycle the rare earths and that's because for a start the actual volumes are pretty small and also because you're talking about often little bits of equipment where the rails are bound up with other materials bits of plastic other metals and it's just been too fiddly to get these materials out it just hasn't been economically viable

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

But now with this emphasis on building up a domestic supply chain, that's sort of increasing the interest in this potential path to improving the supply.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

The main startup in the story that we've written is a company called Cyclic.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

And what they are saying is that they have come up with a cheaper way of doing this.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

So to take a step back, so what currently happens is when you throw something away, it goes to a recycler and some of the metals are already harvested.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

But the rare earths themselves probably end up in this waste material called slag.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

And the idea is that now cyclic will come along and say, no, don't forget about those bits.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

We will buy those.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

We will pay more for this equipment.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

And then using kind of conventional mechanical recycling approaches to remove the rare earth magnets themselves from the surrounding gadgets.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

And then after that, use basically chemistry, bathing the metal in a kind of bath of chemicals to dissolve the rare earths that you can then refine again.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

To take one example of how this actually works in practice, one of the big sources of old electronics that they're using is old hard drives from data centers, which contain little tiny magnets in the corner of each one.

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