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Ed Ballard

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WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

The main startup in the story that we've written is a company called Cyclic.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

And what they are saying is that they have come up with a cheaper way of doing this.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

So to take a step back, so what currently happens is when you throw something away, it goes to a recycler and some of the metals are already harvested.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

But the rare earths themselves probably end up in this waste material called slag.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

And the idea is that now cyclic will come along and say, no, don't forget about those bits.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

We will buy those.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

We will pay more for this equipment.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

And then using kind of conventional mechanical recycling approaches to remove the rare earth magnets themselves from the surrounding gadgets.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

And then after that, use basically chemistry, bathing the metal in a kind of bath of chemicals to dissolve the rare earths that you can then refine again.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

To take one example of how this actually works in practice, one of the big sources of old electronics that they're using is old hard drives from data centers, which contain little tiny magnets in the corner of each one.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

And the cyclic deals with the recycling companies to take those hard drives, slice off the corners which contain the magnets, and then process those to remove the earths so that they can be refined once again into new metal.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

There are various different approaches out there, but the key is who can do this in a cost-effective way.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

I would say that probably it's not going to be enough on its own to meet all of, say, US demand.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

Because if you think about it mathematically, you can only recycle what's already out there, right?

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

So a lot of, like, we think of all the old phones you might have sitting in a drawer at home.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

Each of those has got a tiny little magnet in them.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

And so lots of this stuff is never going to be recycled.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

It's just going to sort of languish.

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

So the amount you can recycle is always going to be less than...

WSJ Tech News Briefing
How Recycling Could Upend the Rare Earth Metals Market

what's already there.