Ed Husain

So every condition that the Prophet Muhammad gave for whether it's fighting or whether it's marrying, and I also don't think he married Aisha and she wasn't seven, she wasn't nine.

The evidence suggests that she was much older and I go through all of this and I'm researching this as we speak.

So I just don't think,

that those caricatures against the prophet and therefore by extension saying two billion Muslims are somehow supporters of that kind of figure who is described in the Quran as mercy unto mankind.

I mean, his wife is Jewish, Sophia, one of his wives is Jewish.

So he has a son called Ibrahim named after Abraham.

And so there are hundreds of examples to the contrary

So you don't have to agree with me, but you can say that there is another interpretation and then there is another way of being.

And I think that's hard to refute.

And for people like Gad Saad and Douglas Murray, if they want to conflate Islam and Islamism, that's their prerogative.

And in a free world, they're able to do that.

But the danger in that is you end up making 2 billion innocent Muslims your enemies.

We make the threat much bigger than it actually is.

And we take on 57 Muslim nation states and say, you're all part of the problem.

Whereas, as we discussed during this conversation, it's actually the Emiratis and others who are the spearhead to saying the West has a problem with the Muslim Brotherhood.

And we've got to deal with the problem of what it is, Islamism.

muslim brotherhood ideology from al-qaeda to hamas and the brotherhood included and not ordinary muslims that include uh you know you take a pick of ordinary muslims i know nadia hussein the household baker to um prominent football players mo salah yeah and and others so i just think you know it's up to us to be sensible about this

We've tried democracy in Gaza, in Iran, Tunisia, even in Kuwait.

The result was always the Muslim Brotherhood.

And that's why I think countries such as the UAE and others that