Ed Husain

It's a very organized, coherent minority.

Said Qutb.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yes.

Hannah Arendt writes about this also.

She observes the Eichmann trial in Jerusalem in the 1960s, trying to understand the Nazis.

They never saw themselves as bad people or as evil people.

Most Nazis just said, we were doing our jobs.

And that's the danger when you abandon your own conscience and you think you're just doing your job.

And the problem with lots of religious people is they think we're just doing God's command.

And there's a real danger there that you can end up following, say, for example, in the case of Iran, the Ayatollah, by abandoning your own sense of what's right, what's wrong, what sits well in your heart.

So we have these two dangers that I'm just doing my job in a secular sense and I'm doing God's command.

in the religious sense.

And again, Voltaire was very critical of that mindset.

But between those two extremes, I think there's an important truth that you're referring to, Constantine, is that yes, Sayyid Qutb came out of America, by the way,

You know, he spent two years in Colorado in Washington, D.C.

He, too, was a schoolteacher.

yeah so and then the egyptian government sends him here to get training to become a school's inspector and what's really interesting that he leaves america worse than he'd arrived and then he goes obviously and writes this famous book you know milestones as you rightly put it um

I was going to say, when Douglas Murray was a friend, he used to talk about the fact that someone wanted to translate Milestone as pebbles along the way, giving a sense of warmth and journey and who hates pebbles?