Ed Husain

And we know that when the Prophet Muhammad passed away, he doesn't allocate a particular caliph.

He doesn't say there's going to be a caliphate.

He doesn't say you must all be united under this one ruler.

Because even in his time, there were Muslims living in Abyssinia.

There were Muslims who were living in Mecca.

And subsequent to him, there was an Umayyad caliphate out of Damascus.

And there was another caliphate out of Mecca.

And even in the days of the Muslim Brotherhood, when they were founded, there were Muslims living in Indonesia, in Morocco, that did not

come under Ottoman or Turkish rule.

So the argument is nothing other than propaganda.

The argument is nothing other than their theorizing of creating a thousand year Reich or in their context, a thousand year caliphate to try and control the rest of us.

And if I may just say one other thing, their biggest enemies are not the Israelis.

the biggest enemies are not really the western countries it's fellow muslims because it's other muslims that opposed them and they went and as we will go through some of the subsequent decades they killed they assassinated egyptian prime ministers egyptian judges and then they go and assassinate jordanian politicians saudi politicians

And Al-Qaeda, as we've seen, leads that assassination culture into this great city here in New York, and 9-11 was a result of that.

So, you know, their enemies, yes, ultimately become the West and ultimately what they call the small Satan Israel, but it's really ordinary Muslims that oppose them and reject them.

And the best evidence for that is, you know, we have 2 billion Muslims, roughly.

The Muslim Brotherhood's membership

Maximum, if we include its global following, is probably no more than 5 million, and I'm being very generous.

So it's a small, I mean, I think it was Gramsci who said an organized minority can control a disorganized majority.

So that's where we are.