Ed Ludlow

What's been really interesting is how the vibe has shifted when it was private dinners, then it was these now third sort of in public event, that now the hill and the valley are so much closer.

I'm interested as to how you keep that contrarian perspective, how you get different voices around the table of how this can be done from an industrial, from a tech perspective right now.

Yeah, it definitely takes a lot of like intentionality.

I think one of the things that's been exciting to see as a shift is rather than just having discussions this year, you're going to see us actually release a set of different policy papers across different sort of industrial areas, whether that's in rare earths.

There's going to be a set around biotech versus China and making sure that we don't lose that supply chain to them as well as reindustrialization.

And a lot of it is in the sort of conversations ahead of the forum with both technology leaders, leaders within the government, regulators, to understand the different perspectives and come in and align on something that actually is like a material product that we're trying to actually use to go shift how a particular industry works.

Christian, thanks for coming on the show.

You know, it's going to be interesting to hear about what your objectives are here, right?

Think back to last July, winning the AI Race Summit.

You know, the president took specific action.

And what's interesting about the Hill and Valley Forum is it's industry and DC, right?

That, you know, there will be politicians and policymakers there.

Do you have a goal or something that you'd want to achieve?

Like, what is the next action that you and your peers feel this administration needs to take and in which domain?

Dell, you know, bipartisan initiative, right?

But if you're being honest and you think back five years ago, you know, you guys might have felt like you were probably outsiders in DC.

I don't know if that's fair.

But present day, you know, how are things different in the way that the administration and the apparatus of DC works with the technology industry?

And how would you reflect on progress that you think you've made?

Yeah, I mean, obviously, if you look at the sort of