Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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This is Bloomberg Tech coming up. AI CapEx in focus after Meta, Microsoft and Tesla all report earnings with mixed fortunes. Plus, Apple is also set to report earnings later today with holiday season results and the impact of memory prices. Top of mind for investors.
And Amazon reported hundreds of thousands of pieces of content it believed included child sexual abuse material, which it found in data gathered to improve its AI models. We have the Bloomberg reporting. And it is significant in reporting at that. But let's turn our attention to what's happening on the markets right now, Ed, because it is a tough day to say the least.
It is all about capex in AI and you're going to go there with the individual names. But I point to a Nasdaq 100 that's having its worst day since November of last year. Two months now, we're down by two percentage points, some huge moves on individual names. But crypto also languishing, we're off by 5%, we're at 84,000 at the moment.
So much for being in digital gold in this currently debasement environment. It ain't working out for this particular area of gold because now it's just working as a risk asset. What are you looking at? Look, since we've come on air, there is a bit of a vibe shift or a deepening of concern around AI capital expenditures. Two very similar stories, but stocks going in different directions.
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Chapter 2: What are the recent AI capital expenditures reported by major companies?
I grew up in the generation of people that learned computers using Microsoft Word and Excel and PowerPoint, etc., etc., Irrespective of what I use today, I don't use that. I use ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude. The totality and functionality of those platforms makes that kind of suite of software obsolete, and I'm certainly not paying for it. How big a sort of existential question is that for Microsoft?
And how reliant is it, sorry to have a long question, how reliant is it for Copilot being a success, therefore?
Chapter 3: How is Apple expected to perform in the upcoming earnings report?
Yeah.
Yeah, I think there are multiple ways to tackle this problem. I do think there is a disconnect between the consumer facing market and the enterprise facing market where we see this at our own organization in order to get really good AI tools in the hands of people who work at enterprises. You need enterprise-grade security, reliability, depth of functionality.
There are a number of systems that have to ultimately connect to build you something that is sustainable and durable over time. So I do think Copilot is one of the key ways that Microsoft is addressing this problem. But there's also something like Foundry,
Microsoft Foundry allows you to actually benchmark LLMs against each other and pick where you are on the frontier of cost and performance in a way that's quite differentiated today. And so there are multiple ways, whereas with the infrastructure layer, the platform layer, the application layer, over time that will come together.
Chapter 4: What alarming content did Amazon report regarding its AI data?
And one of the things that we wanted to highlight today is just the strategic totalness and completeness of how Microsoft is thinking about this. Gabriela Borges of Goldman Sachs, it's been brilliant to have you on Bloomberg Tech. It's my pleasure.
Thank you so much.
Thank you for having me. Let's get over to Meta. Thank you. Shares of Meta right now on track for their biggest jump since July. The social media giant has eased some of Wall Street's concerns about its massive AI spending after beating expectations in the holiday quarter. But it's all in the outlook. Joining us is Shweta Kajuri, a managing director of Global Internet.
at Wolf Research, an outperformed rating on the stock, price target $850. $135 billion of capital expenditures at the top end, but also enough growth in the core business aided by AI to justify it. Is it as simple as that? I think so. Well, first of all, thanks for having me.
I think the key question getting into the print was, well, Meta is one of those companies that is spending a lot of money not only on AI headcount, but also on CapEx, and they have yet to show something for it. Well, this is a quarter where they're showing it, where the first quarter guide of over 30% year over year on a reported basis is the highest we have seen since
the third quarter of 2021 in over four years. And so and at that time, Meta's business was about half the size as it is now. So this is best in class, remarkable growth rate. So the point is, if it can accelerate to this level, even if the growth decelerates going forward modestly, they have enough monetization levers that seem durable.
because they're making so many changes to their own models that are driving impressions growth and ROI for advertisers in addition to potentially new monetization beyond advertising revenue that will come on because of their AI models over near to midterm. And that is giving comfort on, okay, well, maybe they are spending to sustain a pretty healthy level of top line growth.
Meta is not a hyperscaler, but something interesting Caroline brought up with our last guest, Gabriella from Goldman, is Microsoft tried to talk up all the benefits it's feeling internally from allocating compute and investing. Susan Lee talks about exactly the same thing. Engineering output internally is up 30%.
Is that a data point that you look at and say, okay, I believe you that this is worth it because internally you're doing better as well? Yeah, absolutely. One of the metrics that we do track is headcount growth.
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Chapter 5: What insights does Gabriela Borges provide about Microsoft’s AI CapEx?
I would interpret this as, look, he's concerned Tesla needs a lot of chips. They have grand ambitions for AI data centers in space. We think, you know, that could be a really interesting play, especially as launch costs continue to decline. It could actually be cheaper than data centers on Earth. So, you know, I think the way to interpret it is that he knows that he needs a lot of chips.
We've seen him vertically integrate in the past in the electric vehicle business, for instance, and parts of the supply chain that he did not see popping up in the U.S. that they needed in the U.S. So, you know, I think this sort of fits in with what he's done in the past, albeit a But yes, it's a major announcement for Tesla.
So I'd say broadly that like I would interpret some of it as a call to action that, you know, he is looking out there at the supply chain. But yes, for now, they have this very ambitious plan. And again, I would focus on the at least from evaluation perspective on the robo taxi picture here. Of course, they'll also use those chips for Optimus. But I would focus on robo taxis.
And let's focus just on what you have told the market you anticipate. If I'm right, by 2029, what is it, the stock will hit 2,600, 88% of the company's value will be robo-taxes. And you've talked about the millions of robo-taxes that really could be produced by then. To that end, how integral is the XAI integration, if we're going to think about integration?
Is that important for the story and the 2 billion, well, basically capital allocation that was made towards it? So, you know, of course, we hadn't previously accounted for that. The way that I would think of it as, you know, on the call, they mentioned, of course, they're making Grok available in the vehicles.
I think the more interesting parts of the story are, of course, you know, they could potentially share AI infrastructure investment and mutually benefit from each other. He did mention that Grok could sort of act as this like maestro for Optimus and for the robo taxis in terms of, you know,
like networking them together and sort of being the AI control center, if you will, for robo taxis and any sort of like large scale optimist project. So that's how I would think about that investment. Let's talk about this robo taxi unlock then. What needs to fall into place for the 2029 moment to occur from your perspective?
Because at the moment, we've got just a handful in Austin that don't have someone in the driver's seat. How quickly does that scale, do you think, in realistic nature? Yeah, so you're correct that there really are only a handful that currently have no one in the driver's seat. They did say, though, that they have 500 robo-taxis and that they plan to double that every month.
I mean, if that's true, if you look at Waymo's fleet, the last reported number we saw was about 3,000 cars. So in other words, Tesla could surpass Waymo's robo-taxi fleet within three months. I mean, I think that's incredible if you look at the fact that Waymo launched the service back in 2019. Right. So, again, I would focus on the fact that this is like unmatched scale.
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