Ed Ludlow

to Beijing or to China.

So we have to discuss all kinds of issues related to that we make it possible for ASML to earn money in China as well and make sure that they create a top-notch technology for us, for Europe, for the United States.

Last year when you joined Bloomberg, you talked about how under the Biden administration there was concerns about national security when it comes to chips to China, and you expected that to happen under the Trump administration.

But with all this hot rhetoric from the Trump administration regarding Greenland, do you think that has made it more difficult to align yourself with Washington on national security for a key adversary like China?

Well, I think on China it's maybe more easy because we are more aligned.

And, of course, we have all our trade interests and also the U.S.

has its trade interests.

So it's different than from other issues.

And I really hope that we can make arrangements around Greenland.

I really hope that the U.S.

will back us up in the peace process in Ukraine because it's still going on.

And at the same time, we have to take care of Ukraine.

national security issues related to economy.

I mean, it's just what it is in the world of today.

The prime minister of Canada, Mark Carney, had a pretty spicy speech yesterday, provocative for some individuals.

The president made a nod to it today.

He didn't mention Trump by name, but many individuals took it as he was signaling to what is going on in the United States.

And he said, if you are a country in the middle, if you're not at the table, you're going to get eaten.

And he said, the world order we live at now is dead.

Do you agree with that assessment?