Ed Marks

But any other words of advice, like how do you make it stick without going through the trauma?

I had a colleague, a hospital president, he's now a professor at BYU, who wrote a book that was kind of controversial at the time, but it was called Patients Come Second.

And because it was the same premise, you know, you have to take care of yourself and your people first.

your nurses, your doctors, those sort of things.

And then they will take better care of the patient.

So we're actually bettering patient care and taking care of our patients or our residents by taking care of ourselves first.

What other pieces of advice might you have for achieving this clarity?

Again, you know, you've had this profound situation happen in your life and some people have and can relate.

But for those that can't, like any other sort of tips that you might offer?

Maybe it's from your psychiatry profession or otherwise that might help people just connect and stay grounded with true purpose.

Yeah, that's a great idea, these sabbaticals, but with the support for remaining staff, as you mentioned.

Another thing I was just thinking about is sort of forced PTO.

Right.

Cause I don't, we're all type a, like many physicians just, you know, that's just how the culture and administrators like myself, we're, we're also their type a we're very driven and we're almost proud of the fact that we didn't take all of our PTO and, you know, because we're such, you know, dedicated professionals, but yet it can lead to some bad outcomes, you know, especially on the home front.

And so it's,

if you're forced to take PTO, that's just a practical thing, I think, that organizations could do and make sure that you take PTO.

And if possible, you know, turn off, and I don't know why it wouldn't be impossible, is turn off your feed of your email because, you know, we'll go take our forced PTO, but then we'll still be on email trying to run things.

I won't go into my story, but I have a similar story, and I would be in the hospital bed, you know, doing email because, you know, what would happen if I don't, you know, keep...

Yep.

Yeah.