Ed O'Brien

my relationship with a therapist and how much I resonated with them.

And I hadn't found anybody that I resonated with, so I didn't have a therapist.

One thing that really helped, I'd had for years five elements acupuncture, which is the old form of acupuncture.

It was pre-Maoist China.

So it's all about

um the destiny of an individual and also their relationship between heaven and earth it's very it's wow it's it's the old acupuncture the communists didn't like it of course when it came in because they're all about there's no you know the individuality is subsumed this is not serving the state this is not serving the state so all the five elements practitioners got driven out to taiwan so a lot of the old knowledge or the old taoist knowledge gets goes out to taiwan and

There was a British man called J.R.

Worsley who went over, I think, in the 50s or 60s, and he brought the old form, he bought five elements acupuncture to the UK and actually, interestingly, to America.

And it's different from TCM.

Traditional Chinese medicine is fabulous.

But it's all about you put a needle in there, it affects your kidneys.

It's very utilitarian.

This is philosophical, it's spiritual.

So that was tremendously helpful because I would go and see him every day.

four weeks and you talk for half an hour because he's established so how are you so there's a there's a therapeutic but what was great it was it went more than therapy because okay i'm going to hit some points here and they were very beautiful names like heaven's gate or and i found it profoundly powerful so that helped shift um stuff but i just think

Being still.

I think I've had such a busy life and a lot of that was, as I say, running from the ghosts of my past.

There was a reason I was busy.

Yeah, I mean, again, I was reading this book

at the start of this, having fallen into this hole.