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Ege Erdil

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
529 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Our view as well, actually, again, making contact with the real world and getting a lot of data from experiments and from deployment and so on, it's just very important.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

I think there is this underlying latent variable, which explains some of this disagreement, both on the policy prescriptions.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

and about the extent to which we should be humble versus ambitious about what we ought to do today, as well as for thinking about the mechanism through which AI has this impact.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And this underlying latent thing is like, what is the power of reason?

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Like, how much can we reason about what might happen?

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

How much can reasoning in general figure things out about the world and about technology?

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And, you know, so that is like a kind of core underlying disagreement here.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Yeah, yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

I mean, it's unclear that this trades off against the probability of it being achieved successfully or something.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

There might be an alignment tax.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

I mean, maybe.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

You can also just do the calculation of how much a year's worth of delay costs for current people.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

This enormous amount of utility that people are able to enjoy, and that gets brought forward by year or pushed back by year if you delay things by year.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And how much is this worth?

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Well, you can look at simple models of

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

how concave people's utility functions are, and do some calculations.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And maybe that's worth on the order of tens of trillions of dollars per year in consumption.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

That is roughly the amount consumers might be willing to defer in order to bring forward the date of automation in one year.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And again, I think there's this like...

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

difference in opinion about how broad and diffuse this transformation ends up being versus how concentrated within a specific labs where the very idiosyncratic decisions made by that lab will end up having very large impact.