Einar Volsett

It's more like, hey, I want to build this thing.

Like, maybe the investor is, in fact, just paying the salary for somebody on their team for 18 months while they're doing something without really establishing any kind of formal, even corporate structure.

in order to get it done.

And that can be like, you can be in a position where like they built something cool.

Now they need to go raise some more money in order to really grow on, but they don't actually, all right, they're unable to because the investor wants to own, feels like they should own 90% of the company, which is, you know, obviously untenable if you effectively were a seed investor.

Yes, I was co-founder there.

I don't even truly remember.

It was sort of that one of those things is like, we would, partly I was, it was, I think Gabor wanted to get into Y Combinator and PG has a very strong attitude that you should definitely have a co-founder.

So I think actually it was, it was Gabor who was actively looking for co-founders.

And so this is actually before.

So I think Gabor, when I met him, he wanted to build, he wanted to build,

I think you wanted to build an Outlook competitor for the desktop.

And I definitely didn't.

Yeah.

So that was, it was me pushing hard.

So I've been hacked because of the mobile ad hoc network stuff I told you about at Cornell.

I've been hacking in and around the iOS SDK even before they did the release of an official SDK.

And so I was like, dude, the iPhone is the future.

And it still sounds funny to say that now because it's so obviously it was the case.

But in 2008, that wasn't necessarily true.