Elaine Godfrey

I think they saw him or at least his team as like one of them, as someone who is not part of the deep state, who wanted to sort of, you know, let's arrest the criminals.

And I think it gave them this sort of like shock of,

Is Trump just like any other politician?

That was, I think, what the betrayal felt like.

Yeah, a betrayal.

There was a lot more Epstein chatter throughout the fall.

Then what happened is the world started noticing how indiscriminate a lot of the ICE deportations were.

And the guys on Flagrant had actually talked to Trump about deportations when he was on the podcast.

And they had said, you know, something to the effect of, can you prioritize criminals?

Because, you know, that's what we want to see.

In late fall, you start to see them reacting to a lot of stories about

ICE deporting like women and kids and cleaning ladies and workers at restaurants and it just becoming this thing that felt cruel and inhumane.

So they started talking about it a lot.

There was an episode on Flagrant where they talk about like, and this was apropos of nothing, I think.

There wasn't like a specific news story.

They just started saying, dude, would you hide a migrant from ICE if you had to?

Yeah.

It was a very dark conversation, but it was like you're watching them realize this in real time, that this was a consequence that they hadn't anticipated of voting for Trump.

And at the same time, you had Joe Rogan and others speaking out about this.

Like, this seems like a little much.