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Eleanor Gordon Smith

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432 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

This American Life
676: Here’s Looking at You, Kid

A little.

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This American Life
676: Here’s Looking at You, Kid

What was that like to feel like there's this thing that you've been so certain of for so long that you felt like you had resolution of with Dr. Corwin and seeing those tapes?

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This American Life
676: Here’s Looking at You, Kid

And then to have it be the subject of doubt again, what did that do to you?

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This American Life
676: Here’s Looking at You, Kid

Nicole started changing her mind back and forth, over and over.

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This American Life
676: Here’s Looking at You, Kid

Some days she thought she'd been abused.

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This American Life
676: Here’s Looking at You, Kid

Other days she thought she'd lied about it.

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This American Life
676: Here’s Looking at You, Kid

I have to say, as someone who spent months looking into Loftus' article, it is really hard to work out the responsible thing to think.

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This American Life
676: Here’s Looking at You, Kid

When I first read it, I remember thinking, game over, there's no way Nicole's mum abused her.

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This American Life
676: Here’s Looking at You, Kid

But as I looked into each claim Loftus made, what had seemed like a nine on the convincingness scale turned out to be more like a four.

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This American Life
676: Here’s Looking at You, Kid

Like Loftus found a report from another psychologist who'd interviewed young Nicole, who said she sounded mechanical and rehearsed when she talked about abuse.

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This American Life
676: Here’s Looking at You, Kid

Loftus told me that was the evidence that impressed her most.

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This American Life
676: Here’s Looking at You, Kid

But I don't know.

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This American Life
676: Here’s Looking at You, Kid

He says, quote,

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This American Life
676: Here’s Looking at You, Kid

He could mean Nicole's lying.

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This American Life
676: Here’s Looking at You, Kid

Or he could just mean she's been asked to tell it too many times.

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This American Life
676: Here’s Looking at You, Kid

And Loftus interviewed Nicole's stepmum, a woman who'd been there for the custody battle.

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This American Life
676: Here’s Looking at You, Kid

She told Loftus that she and Nicole's dad had tried to win custody with what she called the sexual angle.

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This American Life
676: Here’s Looking at You, Kid

Loftus heard that as sinister.

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This American Life
676: Here’s Looking at You, Kid

But did she accidentally reveal that she'd had an agenda?

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This American Life
676: Here’s Looking at You, Kid

Or did she just use sexual angle as an unfortunate shorthand?

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