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Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

And if you thought you heard the last of House Long to Die in Cold, buckle up because we heard about it for hours more. And similar to the testimony from the prosecution's other digital forensics expert that was Ian Whiffen, this testimony was very long, it was very technical, so I'm here to try to give a high-level summary.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

In the TLDR is that Hyde agrees with Whiffen's findings that Jen McCabe searched House Long to Die in Cold between 6 and 7, not between 2 and 3. And to support her argument, she explained that a single search can leave multiple artifacts in different places on a phone, and an artifact is like a digital footprint.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

In the TLDR is that Hyde agrees with Whiffen's findings that Jen McCabe searched House Long to Die in Cold between 6 and 7, not between 2 and 3. And to support her argument, she explained that a single search can leave multiple artifacts in different places on a phone, and an artifact is like a digital footprint.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

In the TLDR is that Hyde agrees with Whiffen's findings that Jen McCabe searched House Long to Die in Cold between 6 and 7, not between 2 and 3. And to support her argument, she explained that a single search can leave multiple artifacts in different places on a phone, and an artifact is like a digital footprint.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

Hyde said that Jen's search left multiple footprints, but only one of them is associated with the 2-27 timestamp. The rest point to the 6-23 timestamp. Now, Alessi pointed out on cross-examination that her stance on this issue has changed somewhat since the case started. In a May 2023 report, she said that the search was associated with a timestamp of 2-27-40.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

Hyde said that Jen's search left multiple footprints, but only one of them is associated with the 2-27 timestamp. The rest point to the 6-23 timestamp. Now, Alessi pointed out on cross-examination that her stance on this issue has changed somewhat since the case started. In a May 2023 report, she said that the search was associated with a timestamp of 2-27-40.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

Hyde said that Jen's search left multiple footprints, but only one of them is associated with the 2-27 timestamp. The rest point to the 6-23 timestamp. Now, Alessi pointed out on cross-examination that her stance on this issue has changed somewhat since the case started. In a May 2023 report, she said that the search was associated with a timestamp of 2-27-40.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

And likewise, in the first trial last year, when asked whether she could definitively rule out that the search happened at 2-27, she said that it was unlikely, but that she couldn't rule it out completely. Now, you'll also remember that Whiffen testified that Jen's searches were deleted by the phone itself, not by the user.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

And likewise, in the first trial last year, when asked whether she could definitively rule out that the search happened at 2-27, she said that it was unlikely, but that she couldn't rule it out completely. Now, you'll also remember that Whiffen testified that Jen's searches were deleted by the phone itself, not by the user.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

And likewise, in the first trial last year, when asked whether she could definitively rule out that the search happened at 2-27, she said that it was unlikely, but that she couldn't rule it out completely. Now, you'll also remember that Whiffen testified that Jen's searches were deleted by the phone itself, not by the user.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

Hyde agreed, and she even said that the user can't delete a tab even if they wanted to. They can close a tab, they can delete a search, but they cannot delete a tab. And she said the reason that the tab appears to be deleted is because it was living in what's called the write-ahead log. This is an intermediate database within a phone that basically holds incoming and outgoing information.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

Hyde agreed, and she even said that the user can't delete a tab even if they wanted to. They can close a tab, they can delete a search, but they cannot delete a tab. And she said the reason that the tab appears to be deleted is because it was living in what's called the write-ahead log. This is an intermediate database within a phone that basically holds incoming and outgoing information.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

Hyde agreed, and she even said that the user can't delete a tab even if they wanted to. They can close a tab, they can delete a search, but they cannot delete a tab. And she said the reason that the tab appears to be deleted is because it was living in what's called the write-ahead log. This is an intermediate database within a phone that basically holds incoming and outgoing information.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

So in other words, it contains both deleted data and data that hasn't yet been delivered to a specific database. And because of that distinction, Hyde said that it's wrong to assume that data has been deleted just because it's living in this intermediate database. And likewise, she had an explanation for why the seven alleged butt dials from Jen to John appeared to be deleted from Jen's phone.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

So in other words, it contains both deleted data and data that hasn't yet been delivered to a specific database. And because of that distinction, Hyde said that it's wrong to assume that data has been deleted just because it's living in this intermediate database. And likewise, she had an explanation for why the seven alleged butt dials from Jen to John appeared to be deleted from Jen's phone.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

So in other words, it contains both deleted data and data that hasn't yet been delivered to a specific database. And because of that distinction, Hyde said that it's wrong to assume that data has been deleted just because it's living in this intermediate database. And likewise, she had an explanation for why the seven alleged butt dials from Jen to John appeared to be deleted from Jen's phone.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

Hyde said that Jen's model of iPhone can store up to 200 recent calls at once, before it automatically deletes the oldest one. And she testified that the calls from John were behind that 200th call. They were therefore removed by the phone, not by Jen. Now at this point, the jury has heard so much house long to die and cold talk that I can only imagine what their take is.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

Hyde said that Jen's model of iPhone can store up to 200 recent calls at once, before it automatically deletes the oldest one. And she testified that the calls from John were behind that 200th call. They were therefore removed by the phone, not by Jen. Now at this point, the jury has heard so much house long to die and cold talk that I can only imagine what their take is.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

Hyde said that Jen's model of iPhone can store up to 200 recent calls at once, before it automatically deletes the oldest one. And she testified that the calls from John were behind that 200th call. They were therefore removed by the phone, not by Jen. Now at this point, the jury has heard so much house long to die and cold talk that I can only imagine what their take is.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

If I had to guess, since they've now heard two experts say that it occurred between 6 and 7, not 2 and 3, I would imagine they're leaning in that direction, but who knows if that will change when the defense calls their cell phone experts. The thing I want to point out is that this is kind of devolved into a trial within a trial.