Elisa Donovan

Yes, because the rules don't apply to them.

Right.

And so even if you take somebody, let's say that's kind of in the middle of that continuum, somebody who has extreme narcissistic tendencies, they are very difficult to have relationships with, whether that's a friend, a colleague,

a family member, a spouse, they make relationships so difficult.

They make you think you're going crazy.

They make you think you're losing your mind.

And it's so up and down.

You don't know which end is up.

That's really when we see these dysfunctional relationships, what we're talking about.

When you get into that extreme realm, like I'm talking about, you get into that kind of antisocial realm of things.

Right.

So how much of it of the narcissism is about control versus insecurity, like a deep insecurity?

So I'll answer to it.

So it's all about control.

At the end of the day, everything they're doing is what we call coercive control, coercing you into controlling you through whatever means necessary.

They could love bomb you.

They could they could threaten you.

They could pretend to be your best friend.

Whatever means works for you to give up your control over to them.

So there's that.