Elisabeth McKay

And then I think there are some things that you can make seem like they're true through manipulating the data in a clinical study.

So I don't personally put a whole lot of stock in clinical studies for that reason.

It's not to say that they're all wrong, but I can assure you they're not all right either.

And there were quite a few people who, especially during COVID, went out of their way to actually research and prove that a lot of what's published is actually false.

I think I'm trying to remember exactly the details.

I'm somewhat paraphrasing here, but I encourage you to look into this.

I think there were some people that in an effort to reveal or expose that a lot of these studies were false, they actually put forth a lot of false studies, but just buttoned them up in the way that they were supposed to to see if they could get published.

And they got a bunch of nonsense published really just to show if you follow the right steps, you can even publish nonsense.

And this is certainly not a podcast that's intended to just exclusively criticize clinical studies because, of course, I understand the time and place for them.

But for me, the...

The pushing of the narrative of like this is automatically good because of XYZ studies, I think most likely if you talk to the clients themselves en masse who are engaging in ketamine therapy, it doesn't take you long to start to find the people who are actually getting thrust into crisis via ketamine therapy.

And I will share, I've had this happen with quite a few clients, one in particular was

where I was actually making a lot of progress with this client.

They're doing great.

They were taking a lot of ownership and personal responsibility.

Their relationship was changing.

I had both she and her husband.

Everyone was doing great until she started doing ketamine therapy.

And all of a sudden, then the husband would be like, every time she's coming back from ketamine therapy, she's cycling on all of these things that she's remembering.

You already know where I'm going to go with this.