Elise Hu

We noticed that the show's description says the full range of human emotion can happen at work and that those messy feelings can actually be a roadmap.

What does that mean to you?

Yeah.

What is the difference to you between good fear and bad fear?

You've also talked about having to sort through which voice in your head is talking.

Like, is this an ego-driven decision or is this an authentic sort of soul-driven decision?

How do you help folks be able to tell the difference?

And is the general idea to let the quieter voice or the voice that might be farther away in the trunk speak more loudly?

Yeah, especially when we define some of our preferences or what we think are dynamics of our personality against a sibling.

Because it happens a lot with birth order and siblings if we grew up with siblings.

Because, for example, my brother was always the athletic one.

And so I thought of myself as uncoordinated and often didn't try new sports or activities because I was never, quote unquote, the athletic one.

But it was not actually because I was substantively unathletic.

It was just because of the way maybe I defined myself against somebody else.

And so it's really worth questioning those things.

I was about to ask you how we begin to separate what we actually want from our programming.

It sounds like just beginning to question the programming itself is the first step.

Yeah.

I feel like in my own personal work with my therapist, we work on how I sort of as a journalist my whole life, I like having a dark side.

I like having a sort of cynicism and skepticism about things because I feel like cynics are always right.