Elise Hu

It's like so long as you think doom will happen, it generally does.

And you're like, I'm never wrong.

Yeah.

But he was like, I can see how that protects you.

But how might that hold you back?

Like, how might that hold you back from hope and earnestness, you know, and kind of wonder, right?

Because you like hold on to that particular idea.

Yeah, man.

Yeah, I like that.

And with respect to our work choices, this kind of goes back to some of your TED Talk and the idea of taking risks and kind of getting off of the stairs, if you will.

But we are in this, I think it's unavoidable that we are in this job market and in an economy that feels really precarious.

It's really brutal for a lot of people right now.

AI is rapidly changing so many industries.

So I can imagine that for a lot of listeners, the idea of choosing to take a risk and make a choice out of love rather than fear might feel practically impossible, right?

How do you hold this message of making choices in the direction of love and not fear alongside the reality of our precarious economy right now?

As for proactively leaving jobs, which I know this isn't just the only thing that you're talking about or the only kinds of ways that we can take risks.

A lot of times we're told by our career counselors or by our parents that you shouldn't leave a job until you have the next one lined up or definitely have a safety net of a certain amount of savings.

When you're coaching someone who might not have another job lined up or not have the safety net, does your advice about their next step or the decision matrix leading to their choices change?

Yeah, I like that.

Molly, it sounds like so many lessons you've learned about yourself and how you think about work actually came from some missteps, right?