Elise Hu

Or heading in some directions that you later realized weren't right for you.

So in your coaching, how do you navigate helping someone kind of build their own compass without having to take action?

missteps along the way in order to get those lessons?

Or is maybe the only way that we truly understand ourselves from making some mistakes along the way?

Yeah, screwing stuff up.

So it's actually a question I've been asking myself a lot lately.

Do you have to put your hand in the blender to learn that you shouldn't put your hand in the blender?

Like, how do we get wise?

Yeah.

it's less isolating I think it makes us feel less alone to know that we're not the only ones going through things but that we all have this bias or negative bias that you know I'm the only person on earth who has ever gone through this but it's just giving you that like relative sense of you're not the only person that's ever gone through this somebody else has gone through something and you can learn something from that but to your point like you can feel seen because of it you know so

All right.

One of your first jobs was actually leading wilderness tours in Patagonia, which is amazing.

And you majored in African history.

You worked in Silicon Valley.

And now you're hosting a podcast for TED.

That sounds like at least three or four completely different adventures and lives.

And yet a lot of people feel that by the time they're in their 40s or 50s, it's maybe too late to reinvent.

What do you say to someone who's at midlife and

And feeling kind of stuck.

Woof.