Eliza Orlins

Well, David, I'm thrilled that we're having this conversation because as horrible of a topic as this is, like it genuinely couldn't be more imperative that folks understand what is going on and how they can protect themselves.

You know, I think that mass surveillance has been going on for a very long time, but the ways in which it is getting more and more nefarious is fascinating.

Deeply alarming.

And so everyone should be aware of this big like dragnet that they've created and the ways in which they're funding it so that they can keep eyes on every single thing that you do in your life, essentially.

Yeah, listen, I think that a lot of folks think about being surveilled.

And I know this.

I quite literally gave a TED Talk earlier this year on unlawful surveillance and the erosion of the Fourth Amendment.

And people say, but I didn't commit a crime or I'm a U.S.

citizen.

What does it matter that they have access to my location data?

What does it matter that...

you know, that my DMV records or the tolls that I pay or, you know, that I'm being pinged on my cell site location.

Why does that matter?

Well, it matters because as we've seen with Trump's executive orders, you know, anyone who is considered Antifa,

could be placed on a list, could be criminalized, could be at some point rounded up, prosecuted, jailed.

We don't know at this point.

So everyone should be thinking about the ways in which they can protect themselves and protect their neighbors because we all have people in our lives who we love, who are non-citizens, who are green card holders, who are visa holders, who are DACA recipients.

I mean, guaranteed every single person we...

On this live, you know, every single person watching this knows and loves someone who is less safe than they are.

Well, so it is a massive surveillance network.