Eliza Orlins

Ever.

Well, this is one minute, not during the first shot, not during the third shot, not, you know, there are.

Listen, in some states, there are things like, you know, we have we've we've probably you've probably heard discussions about things like stand your ground laws.

Castle doctrine.

Sure.

But in New York and also in Minnesota, there's what's called the duty to retreat.

We don't have you can't in New York.

You cannot even if your life is at risk, you can't just kill someone who is approaching you.

And that applies to everything.

because you have a duty to retreat so if there is space behind you if you can run you can't you know attack and and so you know this is something that's like not even it's like lethal force was never necessary right in the case of renee good you know no reasonable officer with the same facts would ever have been able to right to you know she was shot while she was driving away like this is right

You know, deadly force is extremely difficult to justify legally, and you can never use it against a fleeing person unless they pose an ongoing and immediate threat, which like there's no question.

I mean, I think this is such a great point, Rich, because this is something that I feel like so many people are missing.

And I actually just posted a very in-depth kind of video and sub stack about this exact thing, which is a...

that federal agents are not immune from state criminal law.

Right.

If a federal officer unlawfully kills someone, that can be murder, it can be manslaughter, it could be homicide, whatever you want to call it, negligent.

I mean, there are so many different levels of killing people, but it is...

Being a federal officer does not give you a license to kill.

And they're subject to state homicide statutes and state assault laws and state reckless endangerment laws and state endangering the welfare of a child laws.

I mean, all of that.