Eliza Orlins

It definitely is.

And listen, it's not the first time.

It's not, you know, when post 9-11, as you and I remember, you know, the FISA courts, like basically the warrants that were issued were rubber stamped.

I think not a single one.

of the however many tens of thousands were that were requested was ever rejected and so they were able to do this kind of surveillance even if the warrant was just for show and now in a lot of ways those warrants are not even required you know i think so much of what we think of like the way in which the fourth amendment was written to prevent us from unlawful searches and seizures was

to protect us from physical searches.

Because when it was written, it was like, oh, you think about, oh, are they going to search my person, my pockets, my purse, my car, my home?

You know, those physical searches of like being patted down on the street or having your vehicle or your home searched, of course they require, you know, that's an intrusion.

But these digital searches that are so much more invisible, you know, it's much harder to have that

ability to like see that it's happening and because there's so little transparency and because of these like horrible data brokers who kind of like buy up this information they've kind of found a way to circumvent these these procedures that are in place to protect our constitutional rights and so they're able to do these warrantless searches

So I think that, you know, for the folks who've read history books, you know that it's like – or everyone has heard the, well, they first – they came for the X. And whenever there's a certain group that is first targeted, you know, which in this case we're talking about immigrants, you know, unlawful – whatever they call them, illegal immigrants, you know, people who have come in without inspection or who are currently undocumented, and that is –

that has always throughout history been a stepping stone to head to other people next.

You know, next up is journalists who cover this administration in a way they don't like.

Next up is dissenters and protesters and people who speak out against this administration.

Like, David, you and I are going to be, we're on lists already.

We're going to be, you know, we're going to be like

not the first group or the second group, but like we're going to be rounded up if they start coming for people who are out there using our platforms to speak out against this administration.

And I think that, you know, when we see them normalizing this stuff and militarizing and terrorizing communities, you know, we should all be afraid because they are going to repurpose this to come after dissenters and anyone who is protesting.

You know, I think that it all kind of plays into this culture of power and fear and intimidation.

And I think, you know, the idea is...