Elizabeth Byrne

He wasn't like a man who'd been surprised with the charge of murder.

He was quite relaxed.

And I thought that was an interesting way.

I think he thought he could deal with it, dispense with it.

But of course, the DNA trapped him.

I think it's been the biggest thread through this whole thing.

I found it quite shocking, the degree of violence against Irma.

And as the autopsy report suggested, it was...

serious interpersonal violence.

There were a lot of injuries on Irma's body.

The man who ran the forensic team that examined the house, Clifton Frost, also described some of the injuries to Irma.

Now, I see this

in, you know, other cases where the victim has survived.

It's shocking.

I think the terror is the thing that gets to you.

The terror she must have felt while that was happening.

And it was a significantly more violent attack because of, they can tell from the injuries all over her body, than Gregor appears to have suffered, although he also suffered...

from quite a few injuries.

So I think that that kind of attack on a woman who was only 73, it's really quite a terrible thing to contemplate.

A little bit, but this sort of terrible violence is terrible violence and I'm pretty sure most victims of something like this would feel the same level of terror.