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Elizabeth Jo

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99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

So it was only covering a small portion.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

Well, Governor Abbott relied in part on Article 4's protection clause, that the federal government had a responsibility to protect the state from invasion.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

And the federal government wasn't fulfilling its obligations.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

This is during the Biden administration.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

Of course, there's a huge problem with Abbott's argument.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

Texas isn't actually being invaded by anybody.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

So as soon as Texas implemented this barrier of floating buoys, the federal government actually sued Texas in federal court over this.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

But what happened actually is that the Biden administration did not actually โ€“

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

engage with the constitutional argument.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

And instead they said that Texas was violating federal law about river control, navigable waters.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

And the case is still ongoing.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

I think you can kind of imagine why they didn't want to engage with the constitutional argument.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

I mean, they did not want this to be answered in any way by the Supreme Court.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

You know, the possibility that a majority on the court might say something like, well, actually, maybe Texas can defend itself because I, you know, do you really want to live in a world where each state gets to decide that they're invaded and engage in some kind of self-defensive acts?

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

Right.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

Yeah, it's sort of a free-floating metaphor for terrorizing people.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

And then there is Trump 2.0, right?

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

And it turns out that President Trump has used a kind of novel reading of Article 4.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

On January 20th of 2025, President Trump issued a proclamation called Guaranteeing the State's Protection Against Invasion.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

And in that proclamation, Trump declared the suspension of what the proclamation calls aliens engaged in the invasion across the southern border.