Elizabeth Laime

I think it's great.

Okay.

Tony Robbins, great example.

I think there's so much truth to what he says and there's so much that's like really impactful and positivity goes such a long way and putting like a certain vibe out will bring it back to you.

You know, I believe in a lot of that shit.

I think that when the person behind the kind of cult switches from I want to help people to I want to become as rich as fucking possible.

And like, it's all about money.

That's where you're losing me.

And it's a fine line.

But you and I are creative people.

We make this podcast.

We were just talking about like making Best Dead, which is a storytelling vehicle, ultimately.

Kind of my true passion.

Telling stories in a way.

And that was so fulfilling because we weren't answering to anyone.

We weren't answering to network notes.

We weren't answering to executives.

There were no gatekeepers on it.

And you and I and Monica were like on the same page the whole time.

But I work in an industry where there are a shit ton of gatekeepers.