Elizabeth Phillips

We'll get into it.

Yeah, we'll get into it.

Then through his books and his speaking tours, he's known for his crucifixion reenactments.

Yeah, so it's called cross talk.

And at camp, there'd be one night where there's like a bonfire, like a burning cross.

And yeah, bonfire cross and you nail your sins to the cross and everyone's weeping.

These are like seven year old kids in some of the camps.

Um, and Joe White, when, uh, he's a double amputee now.

He's physically unable to, uh, do this, but he used to, like, carry the cross and be Jesus.

And then he would, like, use a chainsaw or an ax and, like, cut up a cross, build a cross, and, like,

present the gospel message.

And it triggered an emotional reaction in a lot of kids.

So they were like, yes, I'll accept Christ.

Yes, I don't want to go to hell.

In my opinion, kind of an unnecessary way to bring kids to Christianity.

But they do a lot of that kind of stuff.

It started out as a boys' camp in 1926 in the Ozarks, canna-cuck camps for boys, and then they opened a girls' camp in 1958, canna-como.

So the boys are called cucks and the girls are called comos.

And it's co-ed now.

Now, it's all Kanakuk, but then they have different Kanakuk camps.