Elizabeth Phillips

before they insure that organization, because these organizations aren't going to run without insurance.

And so that is a real root issue here, is the insurance companies stop fighting me, insurance lobbyists.

Get on the side of good, and let's prevent these nuclear settlements you're so afraid of happening if an organization that you insure gets hit with a lawsuit.

prevent the lawsuit from ever being necessary.

Insurance could pull that lever overnight, it would change the game.

It's not rocket science.

And then parents' consumer pressure would be another one I'd add, actually.

So, the reason Kanakuk's still in business, besides all of the legalities I've gone over, just the lack of law enforcement, statute of limitations, is parents still send their kids there.

The reason Camp Mystic's reopening, parents will still send their kids there.

That is so, I mean, I call them sheeple.

Uh-huh.

And there is the cult aspect to some of these camps too, where it's like, oh, well, my grandma went there and my, you know, and so it becomes this kind of dynastical camp cult.

And kids aren't safe.

Again, it's been 115 years since the American Camps Association started.

They've had 115 years to get this right.

When they last updated their accreditation measures in, I think it was like 2019, it didn't include anything about child sexual abuse prevention.

So either they're complicit in the problem and have an issue themselves, or they're so naive that they don't know this problem exists.

How do you live in this world and not know this problem exists?

I mean, so if we know the problem exists, I always try to stay solutions oriented.

So I'm going to stay solutions oriented.