Elizabeth Phillips

So, he was like, NDAs?

All of the things where it's like the same thing, just another version of it, and this is kids.

And, um...

So by the time I flew back to Dallas, they were like, this can't wait on a book.

We need to get this out to the public ASAP.

So that's how the first articles came out on the dispatch.

And that platform, it's like a sub-stack model kind of platform.

So not mainstream.

I couldn't get mainstream media to write about this or care about this.

Yeah.

Well...

I went top-down on a... I had a friend who was vice president of Gannett Communications, and I told her, I'm stuck.

I can't get Springfield News Leader, the local paper, to write about this.

So, we had the dispatch, and then it got picked up by some other... You said Gannett Communications?

Yeah.

They own USA Today and, like, a big media conglomerate.

And I had worked at... So, at one point, towards the end of college, I interned for the RNC, the Republican National Convention, with this friend.

And we both studied corporate communications and public affairs.

We're both trained in crisis PR.

That's how I saw what Kanakuk was doing, because that was my degree.