Elizabeth Phillips

I mean, this is not the only cult that does this, but that's what they were doing to victims, too.

And then Kanakuk would pay the counselor, like, pay the invoices.

They would say, oh, you deserve free therapy.

We'll pay for your therapy.

But they wouldn't give the victim the money.

They would pay the therapist, and the therapist would report back.

Oh, yeah.

No.

No, I mean, I think that, so that, I'm thinking of one in particular, like, the one I have the most on.

Um, he was at a Baptist church in Branson.

And, uh, I think when a lot of this came out in Discovery and these lawsuits, they fired him or he's no longer in that role at that church.

Um, but yeah.

There's a network of therapists that feed the information back to Kanakuk.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, and the victims that would tell me this, I'd be like, report them to, like, try to get their license revoked, right?

Like, I don't personally have a claim, right?

Because it didn't happen to me, but I tell the victims it happened to them, like, please report this to the licensing agency in Missouri.

Because he should lose his license.

Joe White also claims to be a counselor.

Exactly.