Elizabeth Phillips

But I think the best visual to map out the whole Kanakuk situation I shared...

is this network map.

So my team of PIs, whenever we're digging into something, we want to put it in a format that law enforcement can easily read and understand.

But this is how big the web is.

It's like every entity that Joe White or Kanakuk Ministries has a hand in, you can see the little handcuff icon.

And then we have a separate page that outlines the exact charges for those handcuffs.

Yeah, it's just, it's not normal, so... Man.

Yeah.

Or what exact... Yeah, so they're LLCs or ministries or churches he's on the board of, like, things he's affiliated with.

And, um... you can't find one that doesn't have some sort of... It's not connected to the handcuffs.

Sexual exploitation of children.

So, when you don't hold predators accountable the first time you see a flag, you attract bad actors to your enterprises, and that's a mess.

And I think with Joe White, I don't know what his deal is, but I assume it's a lot darker than just a culture of complacency.

But in general, and what I wanted to talk to you about before we go shoot, is this culture of complacency is a camp industry problem.

It's industry-wide.

You know, I was doing this Kanakuk stuff since 2021, trying to understand what happened to my brother, connecting with all these victims.

And then I started looking at, okay, is Kanakuk an outlier or is this the norm?

And I started getting tips from all over the country, including...

other camps, many in Texas, who have victims under NDAs.

So word starts getting out, especially as I started testifying in state legislatures.